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Originally Posted by pokerfan655
I posted a comment and you shot it down condescendingly. If you want to be arrogant that's fine, but you have nothing to back it up. Even your reply here is very angry - I would consider speaking with someone in real life if you're looking to pick fights on the internet.
Anyways to get back to the topic - I think non showdown winnings is the key to highest ROI's in MTTs. The ability to chip up especially late game without showing down is how you lower variance an win tournaments.
Dude, I am sorry I hurt your feelings, I didn't mean to. but what you said is wrong.
For many reasons.
It would be great if you could win chips without showdown. But that's not happening in tournaments for many reasons.
First of all, when you go deep into an MTT, stacks become shallow. This means that you can't run elaborate 3 street bluffs anymore. At some point they become shallow enough that you are either raising calling/folding or moving all in yourself. In theory maybe you can find people who fold to your LP raises or people who don't reshove on you, but this isn't happening. Sometimes you cbet and take it down, but if the cbet gets called and you have air, most of the time it's not a good idea to commit on the turn.
If you had a poker database and ever spend sometime into it you would see that the WTSD% of tournament players is humongous. Like you read about the ideal WTSD% in cash and it's supposed to be below 30%. Mine is 58% or something and I am very much in line with other players' stats.
Now, maybe you ll say non showdown winnings matter when stacks are deep. But in most low and midstake tournaments, recreational players don't have a fold button. You aren't going to win money in the early stages by running huge bluffs.
Does all this mean that on occasion a well placed bluff or an all in can't make a difference? No, sometimes it can. But as a rule, MTT players winnings are showdown winnings and those showdnown winnings make up for all the non-showdown losses.
I ll be surprised if you can find me one tournament player who has a positive red line. Do you have a database? How does your red line look?