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How do you handle AK late game MTT? How do you handle AK late game MTT?

12-03-2018 , 08:48 AM
Here’s the game I played tonight in Auckland New Zealand for $100 buy in and the result. I’m kicking myself for being the bubble boy, but I felt like not shoving with AK with only around 6 BB would be playing with scared money, and likely 7 handed it was a favorite. Did I play the hand correctly or not? Thoughts on how you play AK late tournament play? If I won, I would’ve been chip leader.

I had 80,000 , blinds were 12,000 , 6,000.
I pick up AK, players behind me have been folding a lot to shoves, no one wants to play because 6 players get paid and there’s 7 players left. No one wants to bubble, so I am effectively only 6.66 big blinds left and have seen people shoving with A10 and similar hands so I decide to shove all in. To my surprise, a bigger stack calls me with JQ, odds are 65% favor of me, and I bust out of the tournament at the bubble boy at 7th place.

JQ is kind of an odd hand to call an all in with 80,000, and we’re all pretty short stacked at this point, this would have made me chip leader had I won the pot. So why in the world call off all your chips with JQ? So strange the call, and I understand AK is vulnerable but if I raise with it I only have like what, 3 big blinds behind? Why not just shove it?

Everyone was pretty short stacked, and I really didn’t know if this was the right play to shove right before the bubble. I figured people were playing with scared money so my shove would get through, and if someone did call that they would have another ace x something that wasn’t as good, of something like KQ, or at the worst a pocket pair which is a flip, but if I picked up the blinds and antes which were large antes too, that it was definitely worth it to take the pot down, so I shoved.

Thoughts on how I played the hand? There was no other really way to play the hand at that stage in the tournament right?
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12-03-2018 , 09:35 AM
I'd fold. AK is only the 14th best hand. Not really good to shove.
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12-03-2018 , 09:39 AM
This is an auto-shove for me. Even if other players haven't been shoving with AT.

If you are in this situation three times and get called by QJ three times, you double up twice and get eliminated once. Just unfortunate that this was the loss.

Mostly you pick up the blinds and the rest of the time you are either flipping or way ahead (except vs AA and KK which would be rare)
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12-03-2018 , 12:34 PM
this is a snap shove.

If you would have been the chip leader with 13BB, this is a turbo tournament. The structure is obviously very crappy and you won't find a lot of good spots to get your money in.

This is a bad call by the villain but obviously they just felt like gambling. It's unlucky that you lost but this is the correct play.
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12-03-2018 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by wait
I'd fold. AK is only the 14th best hand. Not really good to shove.
I know you're joking/trolling but there are nits who really feel that way.

Don't be a nit.

And chip leader with 13BB what is this an ACR Hyper Turbo OMG.
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12-03-2018 , 04:29 PM
Personally, I would have high-fived the dealer when the hands were turned up. You got it in good & lost. If you truly believe you were a 2:1 favorite, then why are you questioning yourself now?
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12-03-2018 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Rick
This is an auto-shove for me. Even if other players haven't been shoving with AT.

If you are in this situation three times and get called by QJ three times, you double up twice and get eliminated once. Just unfortunate that this was the loss.

Mostly you pick up the blinds and the rest of the time you are either flipping or way ahead (except vs AA and KK which would be rare)
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Originally Posted by PhatPots
this is a snap shove.

If you would have been the chip leader with 13BB, this is a turbo tournament. The structure is obviously very crappy and you won't find a lot of good spots to get your money in.

This is a bad call by the villain but obviously they just felt like gambling. It's unlucky that you lost but this is the correct play.
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Originally Posted by jpgiro
I know you're joking/trolling but there are nits who really feel that way.

Don't be a nit.

And chip leader with 13BB what is this an ACR Hyper Turbo OMG.
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Originally Posted by Beachman42
Personally, I would have high-fived the dealer when the hands were turned up. You got it in good & lost. If you truly believe you were a 2:1 favorite, then why are you questioning yourself now?
4 idiots going broke with A-high
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12-03-2018 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by wait
4 idiots going broke with A-high
Well at least you picked a representative screen name.

The thing is that QJ should have folded. The QJ call was a huge mistake at this point in the tourney. So getting opponents to make mistakes means we are doing the right thing.

I have shoved hands like ATo on the bubble and had people open fold hands like AQ and TT. So My opinion on this shove is we are probably gatting called by JJ+/AK and maybe AQ. Otherwise we are taking down the blinds which will add a substantial % to our stack.
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12-03-2018 , 09:24 PM
Yes but we lost cause he called with QJ so bad shove.
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12-04-2018 , 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Rick
The thing is that QJ should have folded. The QJ call was a huge mistake at this point in the tourney. So getting opponents to make mistakes means we are doing the right thing.
I was just gonna troll the op like wait did but since you are a serious poster, I feel like pointing out, that in ICM spots like these, it’s actually other players who benefit the most from V’s mistakes.

To op: do you seriously feel like this question is worth asking at hsmtt?

It’s absolutely a shame that this is the quality of too many threads here nowadays.
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12-04-2018 , 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by wait
4 idiots going broke with A-high
Best compliment I've gotten in this forum this year!
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12-06-2018 , 07:28 AM
Thanks all for the advice
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12-06-2018 , 07:33 AM
I think I was just in the moment, and questioned my decision even though in the end when there’s 5-6 players left and we all know ICM and mathematics it’s pretty much a crap shoot for the most part when blinds are so high. I played three tournaments this week and final tabled all three of them. It’s pretty sick because in New Zealand you don’t get any tax on your poker winnings. Last night I picked up QQ and someone behind snap called with KK.
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12-07-2018 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Geardog
I think I was just in the moment, and questioned my decision even though in the end when there’s 5-6 players left and we all know ICM and mathematics it’s pretty much a crap shoot for the most part when blinds are so high. I played three tournaments this week and final tabled all three of them. It’s pretty sick because in New Zealand you don’t get any tax on your poker winnings. Last night I picked up QQ and someone behind snap called with KK.


damn can you post that hand as well? seems like you couldve gotten away from this if you had more than like 12bb
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12-08-2018 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by wait
4 idiots going broke with A-high
Ak so overrated. Why are you going all in with ace hi anyway you waited the whole tournament to get busted like this?
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12-08-2018 , 07:12 PM
Some of these replies are so toxic...

Shoving in this spot with AK is totally fine. It sounds like you were playing a turbo/ daily donkament. Winning with a 6.6 BB stack HU and the result being that you would be in 1st chip position sounds to me like a tournament structure that is pretty fast blind level wise and steep regarding the blind increases.

As Mr. Rick pointed out earlier, QJ should have folded. The cards fell the way they did.

Try not to take things like this to heart. Keep working hard off the table. I know a question like this seems like a standard answer to most players, but before you know it you're going to have push/fold spots ironed out for each position and stack depth.

Hope you get advice that is helpful. Keep asking questions regardless of how trivial someone may say that it is.

Good luck.


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Originally Posted by numberonedonk
LOL +1

Last edited by Living Abortion; 12-08-2018 at 07:14 PM. Reason: numberonedonk is a hero
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12-08-2018 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by wait
Yes but we lost cause he called with QJ so bad shove.
So if I call with 7-2o and win its a good call?

Please write a book. Your mind is brilliant. Teach the masses.

LOL.
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12-08-2018 , 08:07 PM
OP, the only thing to take from the replies above is that AK is so obvious a shove, that even has-been dolts like @wait feel safe trolling

nh wp ul reload etc
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12-09-2018 , 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by numberonedonk
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Originally Posted by Living Abortion
Some of these replies are so toxic...

Shoving in this spot with AK is totally fine. It sounds like you were playing a turbo/ daily donkament. Winning with a 6.6 BB stack HU and the result being that you would be in 1st chip position sounds to me like a tournament structure that is pretty fast blind level wise and steep regarding the blind increases.

As Mr. Rick pointed out earlier, QJ should have folded. The cards fell the way they did.

Try not to take things like this to heart. Keep working hard off the table. I know a question like this seems like a standard answer to most players, but before you know it you're going to have push/fold spots ironed out for each position and stack depth.

Hope you get advice that is helpful. Keep asking questions regardless of how trivial someone may say that it is.

Good luck.




LOL +1
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Originally Posted by Living Abortion
So if I call with 7-2o and win its a good call?

Please write a book. Your mind is brilliant. Teach the masses.

LOL.
Imagine trying to navigate life being this stupid
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12-09-2018 , 02:56 PM
Elaborate good sir. Explain yourself.
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