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05-26-2020 , 09:05 PM
I probably accidentally outplayed an excellent player here. $100 buy-in $100k guarantee on ACR, middle stages about 50 players to the bubble, re-entry has been over for a while. V is a very good player, although I think his range from EP is not balanced enough at this stage of the tourney and is heavily titled towards big pairs and big aces. Both V (77 bbs) and I (53 bbs) have decent chip stacks.

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V raises to 2.5 bbs from UTG +1.

I call from BB with KhQc.

Flop (7 bbs): Td7c9s. I x/c 5 bbs. (Probably loose, but I thought V could not like board and I had big range advantage so I could draw for my bingo J cheaply on many low turn cards that hit the board, or take shot at a bluff given the range advantage).

Turn (17 bbs): 6c. I x and to my surprise, V bets 11 bbs. I figure V should have very few 8s, and I should have many more here, so I fire in a min x/r for 22 bbs, with the plan on barreling almost every river if V calls, which he does.

River (61 bbs): Qh. (Card gave me pause as I now had sdv), but decided to proceed with the plan and blast the river, because I thought I could get V to fold an over pair. V tanks forever, and …

Spoiler:
finally calls with JJ and I take the pot.
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05-26-2020 , 09:50 PM
I often c/r this flop. However here a c/r to 15 bb's is virtually pot committing. So I prefer a call here.

As played raising 40% of your stack on the turn is totally pot committing so you got lucky V didn't just jam (which I would do every time if I was continuing).

If I was going to c/r on the turn it would be a jam. And I am guessing you would take it down a lot given that 8x is a lot of your holdings. As played you don't have any FE on the river when you miss. I guess you get to check/fold when an A comes if you want. And if you jam you would sometimes get a fold where V thinks you have AT. But otherwise it is 24k for villain to call and he showed you he was never folding even when one of the worst cards hits the board.
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05-26-2020 , 10:45 PM
No doubt I played this hand horribly to the win. My thinking with the min-raise on the turn was that this line should only be 8x, especially if I fire again on the river.
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05-27-2020 , 06:40 PM
Maybe taking this range advantage business too far. When he keeps betting that board, it is likely he has something. JJ flopped overpair and gutshot. He could have a lot of sets on that flop.

I would still float the big cbet with 10 outs to improve significantly.
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05-27-2020 , 07:25 PM
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Maybe taking this range advantage business too far
You're right. I don't know if it's FPS, or just stupidity (I'm guessing the latter, although I really did think he had an overpair and did think I could get him to lay it down. I would never do this against someone I didn't think was a good player).
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05-28-2020 , 10:08 AM
Yeh, it seems like FPS to put him on an over pair and try to get him to fold it.
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05-28-2020 , 10:40 AM
You can most likely start leading this turn with some hands, but..

Would think Jx hands are a decent portion of your bluffing range, so getting called by JJ says something about how much you want to bluff against this guy when he's put in a lot of chips.
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05-28-2020 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by streetwalkincheeta
You can most likely start leading this turn with some hands, but..

Would think Jx hands are a decent portion of your bluffing range, so getting called by JJ says something about how much you want to bluff against this guy when he's put in a lot of chips.
Good point. He was much stickier than I thought.
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05-28-2020 , 12:14 PM
Are stack sizes right? You should have 40% pot on the river. Hard to see how he folds AA to that when the flush draw missed.
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05-28-2020 , 12:20 PM
Stack sizes are right -- which is part of what I screwed up in my play -- if I were to do this, we should have been much deeper. My thinking was that given the stack sizes and bet/raise sizes, V would have to think my line should not be a bluff (more FPS).
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05-28-2020 , 01:50 PM
JJ has a straight draw, so his line makes more sense with it than AA/KK. He could also play 99/TT that way.
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05-28-2020 , 02:01 PM
But as another poster pointed out JJ also heavily blocks a good part of my bluffing range, which should be scary.
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05-28-2020 , 02:27 PM
I get that you have been pretty hard on yourself - so I'm not really piling on - BUT,

What overpair did you think would lay down here? you have KQ to block KK, QQ just made a set & JJ should call more than fold so AA exactly?

I think your turn line/sizing is too awkward and likely contributed to V looking you up OTR.
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05-28-2020 , 02:31 PM
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I think your turn line/sizing is too awkward and likely contributed to V looking you up OTR.
This ^. Which is why I called it an hilarious hand, as my river bluff turned out to be a value bet due to the dumbass sizing.
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05-28-2020 , 03:42 PM
What sizing are you supposed use on the turn? You have to minraise or go allin.
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05-29-2020 , 11:40 AM
I think all-in is the only option if I want to make a x/r bluff, as I am left with under half a pot sized bet on the river with a min-raise.
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05-29-2020 , 01:45 PM
You may need to go for therapy for FPS. ep bets big OTF and bets big OTT despite the board not favoring his range. You put him on JJ-AA. It is very hard for even good players to fold those hands. It is much easier to take an ep raiser of a big ace or mid pp that misses the flop.
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05-29-2020 , 02:07 PM
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You may need to go for therapy for FPS.
I'll add it to the list for my therapist.
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