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Old 07-15-2018, 07:22 PM   #1
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Hand in the $2100 $1,000,000 Guaranteed/Mistake

Is it a mistake to check raise here? Should I just check and call to keep the pot small? Once I check raise I feel like I am pretty pot committed to calling.. What are your thoughts


Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $150/$300 ($30 ante) - 9 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

MBRMACR (UTG): $12,493.00 (42 bb)
BLEHHH!! (UTG+1): $21,449.00 (71 bb)
Chamois999 (MP): $44,028.00 (147 bb)
mozart528 (MP+1): $26,492.00 (88 bb)
Im_Just_a_Nit (LP): $11,256.00 (38 bb)
puicachamp (CO): $12,665.00 (42 bb)
OMGitsvariance (BU): $8,758.00 (29 bb)
HollaAtYaBoi (SB): $22,607.00 (75 bb)
69Katrina69 (BB): $19,320.00 (64 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($720) Hero (69Katrina69) is BB with 4 6
4 players fold, Im_Just_a_Nit (LP) raises to $600, 2 players fold, HollaAtYaBoi (SB) calls $450, 69Katrina69 (BB) calls $300

Flop: ($2,070) 5 2 Q (3 players)
HollaAtYaBoi (SB) checks, 69Katrina69 (BB) checks, Im_Just_a_Nit (LP) bets $900, HollaAtYaBoi (SB) folds, 69Katrina69 (BB) raises to $4,150, Im_Just_a_Nit (LP) raises to $10,626 (all-in), 69Katrina69 (BB) calls $6,476

Turn: ($23,322) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($23,322) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $23,322 (Rake: $0)

Showdown:
Im_Just_a_Nit (LP) mucks Q A (two pair, Queens and Fives)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 61%, Flop: 57%, Turn: 75%, River: 100%)

69Katrina69 (BB) mucks 4 6 (two pair, Fives and Fours)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 39%, Flop: 43%, Turn: 25%, River: 0%)

Im_Just_a_Nit (LP) wins $23,322
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Old 07-15-2018, 08:28 PM   #2
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Re: Hand in the $2100 $1,000,000 Guaranteed/Mistake

I would call and see if we improve or if he checks back ott. If he does check back then put in a little river stab. The way that board runs out if he didn't have a queen or had 88 or AK he'd fold. Going broke here at this stage of the tourney with so many opportunities to chip up is tragic.

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Old 07-15-2018, 08:30 PM   #3
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Re: Hand in the $2100 $1,000,000 Guaranteed/Mistake

pretty good spew
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Old 07-16-2018, 03:11 AM   #4
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Re: Hand in the $2100 $1,000,000 Guaranteed/Mistake

We're a little bit deep to be happy about stacking off with a low fd, even with a gutter to go with it. For that reason I probably xc.
I think 3.3-3.5k is sufficient for the xr, and obv calling off.
It's obv ok AP, not really that threadworthy.
I also complete pre and def would not sqz.
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Old 07-16-2018, 03:33 AM   #5
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I think squeezing here is very interesting preflop. 64s is probably one of your best 3bets facing a single M-L P raise. I'm not as sure how good it is as a squeeze but it might be even better. It would be a huge result to get the preflop flatter to fold certain hands like 78s which can dominate you post.

Anyways, as played call flop has to be best. He is betting two ways so his range will be stronger and contains several combinations of higher flush draws. You do push him off of some hands with 1/2 pot raw equity against you, but, as you can flat lots of Qx, you can bet river when you miss and have a well balanced range. Also there are several turns you can donk-lead such as 6x, 7x, or maybe the 5x which hit.

If I were to c/r I would make it less as well. This sizing makes your hand pretty face up. I'd make it smaller, hope for a light float, then you can shove turn with some fold equity.
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Old 07-16-2018, 06:23 AM   #6
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64s is probably one of your best 3bets facing a single M-L P raise.
Hi, I have a question - do I understand it correctly that we 3-bet here for bluff because :
1) this hand is at the bottom of our calling range from BB - not good enough to call.
2) V's HJ opening range is wide enough, so he can fold some hands that are stronger than our 64s
3) V's stack is not deep, so he might fold more willingly.
4) even if V calls, our hand has some potential post-flop, like it happened in the hand discussed in the thread..
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Old 07-16-2018, 07:44 AM   #7
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We're a little bit deep to be happy about stacking off with a low fd, even with a gutter to go with it. For that reason I probably xc.
I think 3.3-3.5k is sufficient for the xr, and obv calling off.
It's obv ok AP, not really that threadworthy.
I also complete pre and def would not sqz.


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squeezing pre is rly bad.
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Old 07-17-2018, 03:15 AM   #8
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Hi, I have a question - do I understand it correctly that we 3-bet here for bluff because :
1) this hand is at the bottom of our calling range from BB - not good enough to call.
2) V's HJ opening range is wide enough, so he can fold some hands that are stronger than our 64s
3) V's stack is not deep, so he might fold more willingly.
4) even if V calls, our hand has some potential post-flop, like it happened in the hand discussed in the thread..
Yeah definitely depends on villain's RFI from hijack and his fold to 3bet. I think most of the blocker hands we might chose to 3bet play better as flat calls. The other ones play horribly post flop facing a call. So a lot of times the best bluff 3bets in these situations are the lower end suited gappy holdings.

As for squeezing I'm less certain but other people itt seem to think squeezing is very bad. But they haven't said why. Probably with stack sizes there isn't a great size we can make it. Therefore better to just flat with position on one player and the extra price.
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Old 07-17-2018, 03:22 AM   #9
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Yeah definitely depends on villain's RFI from hijack and his fold to 3bet. I think most of the blocker hands we might chose to 3bet play better as flat calls. The other ones play horribly post flop facing a call. So a lot of times the best bluff 3bets in these situations are the lower end suited gappy holdings.

As for squeezing I'm less certain but other people itt seem to think squeezing is very bad. But they haven't said why. Probably with stack sizes there isn't a great size we can make it. Therefore better to just flat with position on one player and the extra price.
Sorry, I didn't mention that my question was for a situaion when only one player raised from LP/MP and we are on BB holding 64s and similar hands...small suited connectors/one gappers...
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Old 07-17-2018, 03:47 AM   #10
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As for squeezing I'm less certain but other people itt seem to think squeezing is very bad. But they haven't said why.
because we are increasing the size of the pot with a ****ty hand? how technical do you want to get here?

Yes it's true that any hand you squeeze here also would make a profitable call, which can make selecting combos a little complex, but we need some hands with higher card value than suited trash so we can profitably cbet more of a variety of textures against these ranges.
There are too many board textures which 64s can't profitably cbet and/or barrel.

BTW I also used to select these types of combos to 3b out of BB vs. a single raise (I mainly play CGs) on similar grounds (all medium strong hands play well as calls, so why not use some lower suited hands to 3b). . I think over time ppl have evolved to using more linear approaches in most spots and I trust there's reasoning behind it, although haven't done the work myself .
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Old 07-17-2018, 04:04 AM   #11
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BTW I also used to select these types of combos to 3b out of BB vs. a single raise (I mainly play CGs) on similar grounds (all medium strong hands play well as calls, so why not use some lower suited hands to 3b). .
Hi, I am trying to get some 3-bet wisdom out of this thread...I just want to clarify.."CGs" in your message stands for "suited connectors and gappers", right?
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Old 07-17-2018, 04:08 AM   #12
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Old 07-18-2018, 10:22 AM   #13
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it might be good 3bet from BB vs btn or co for example but definetly not a good hand vs mp. squeezing is out of the question unless caller is 60 4 and mp opens 30

calling is lot better otf... we're clearly not folding vs jam when we x/r and our equity vs his jamming range is very bad, most likely because he will jam all of his NFDs
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Old 07-19-2018, 03:52 AM   #14
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Sorry, I didn't mention that my question was for a situaion when only one player raised from LP/MP and we are on BB holding 64s and similar hands...small suited connectors/one gappers...
I understood and was replying to this. Think the other people have been more on base than I have been though.
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