Hallo guys, I 've been playing cash for years but not many tourneys. Villain here is unknown. We are early ITM.

I bet turn for value out of his Ax and as a semibluff against his small pairs which may fold otr.
When I hit otr I wanna rep a bluff and that's why I 'm betting on the high side.
Dunno if it is ok and would like to know what other ppl think.

Flop is standard.

Turn is interesting, I may check as well, but don't hate lead.

I'm not sure about sizing throughout, but 25BB is my most hated stack size

As played. river is a head scratcher. I like the lead, but the raise seems he slowplayed 88, QQ, 75? Given what we've got nearly half our stack in, I'm calling this off. I'm not expecting to be good often, but often enough for the pot odds. He could have slow played AA, KK. perhaps 54

call river and well played imo

we are at the top of our range on a fairly safe board being fairly committed after betting river, would not fold to raise

After the river bet you are left with about 12-13BB's if you fold to his shove, given the way the hand was played out there is a chance he could be doing this to put maximum pressure on you for your tournament life, knowing it's going to be very difficult for you to call here even with a Q. Like wowsooooted said you're at the top of your range here, there's no way he can know you have a 4, so I'd call and say gg if he so happened to slow play a monster, if he did that was a sick run out of a board for him.

If you lead this turn, what does your turn x/c range look like?

Villain took weird suboptimal line for his value range and I have little idea how his bluff range could look.
I mean cmon how is it relevant where we are in our range in half-price million?


I don`t mind picking this hand as a turn probe ahead of some 8x, 6x assuming his delay cbet range potenitally can be very wide but likely he won`t maintain high follow through freq on 3rd club or A river.

And yeah a lot of hand we can fold out on that texture, I`m just confused w/ small turn sizing.

then you should bet turn large actually repping value hands you could have.
its more of a protection play as played w/ a hand like the one you hold.

@gregz41 That's something I thought about some time later. Checking turn seems a good option. Maybe I don't have a x/c range.

@user I guess it's protection ott, but the problem is that he's firing a lot of his air otf so no much need for protection.

yeah that`s the point -- no point in betting small )

8x,6x,4x, 22-77, weak/some queens

Turn seems like clear bet, dunno why we would not take our option to semi-bluff and try to win the pot x2 ways instead of taking a passive line. Balance in general is an overstreched concept imo, in real word scenarios other factors rank higher in terms of importance.

I like your plays on FTR....I would probably stack off here weird line by villain...66with the 6 clubs???lol

In any turn spot where flop checks through in a heads up pot, hero needs to work out:

Which hands lead
Which hands x/c
Which hands x/f

And maybe
Which hands x/r

But if you don't develop a x/c range and only lead or x/f, your strategy has a gaping hole in it.

The reason you should take a more passive line with your worst pairs is that they are less likely to get called by worse hands and more likely to fold out hands we beat which might look to bluff. Leading 4x implies you're threshold to lead is any other hand that is > 4x. That means you're checking range is going to look like a piece of ****. You might not care about balance, but this is a pretty easy exploit which will open up.

Also, it's worth noting that hero isn't sure what to do on the best case scenario for us (rivering trips). On most other rivers which aren't an A or a 4, which is like 89% of all rivers, you're now out of position in a dumb spot because your threshold to probe turn was too low by betting any hand >4x. On the river, this current leading strategy raises many questions:
If you didn't improve, what are you doing with other draws which bricked?
Which bluffs do you select?
What do all those pairs that you bet on the turn do, do they bet river again or do they x/c or x/f?

And as a general rule, if you find yourself in a lot of situations where you bet turn as BB and get called by the pre flop raiser after flop checks through and are kind of lost on the river, it's likely you're threshold to probe turn is too low and your bet is too thin.

Leading pairs to x/f the next street isn't going to be something I can get on board with.

I prefer to c/c this hand on turn,
we have showdown value, hands which are better that ours are not folding to one bet, worse hands mostly have <6 outs(because we block club outs for some no pair hands),
i like to lead most nutflushdraw combos, but its nice to have possible nuts when flush hits also with c/c line.
I dislike river sizing without some read on player, it can only work vs someone leveling himself, range which we hope to get called by mostly have a pair lower than Q so i would size down.
As played villains line doesnt make much sense except with QQ(less likely 88, 84s, 64s)or as FU_UIGEA said 6x6c and we are gettin better than 4 to 1 i think i am sigh calling

lol why do you mention that you play cash primarily but then dont rly have a grasp on what your ranges should look like here in a super simple spot
anyway the turn is close between b/c i think c/r actually looks better ott, if you want to bet its certainly gonna want to be for a really big size
otr you want to be betting huge, possibly overbetting. as played its a super easy call

I can see why it's good to check. Regarding the last part though, please remember we have the nfd too.

How is this a super simple spot? What range do u give him for such a strange line and advocating a super easy call otr?

That's true. I missed the nut flush draw which gives us much more play-ability across rivers.

I'd still check though.

Time for results...

Bc you have basically the nuts for your range folding would just be silly and such a massive overexploit. Sure you can run into a better hand but folding and being wrong is a rly big mistake when you are basically at the tip-top of hands you can have

I need 25% to call. Unfortunatelly I cant find a range for villain that I beat that much.


Anyway, villain had the mighty 84.

Folding trips top kicker here w a 25bb stack is just silly he can play aa/kk like this for value as well as all tp/gk kinda stuff. Then there’s worse trips combos and his random bluffs (infrequent but not impossible)

Lol

That I did not see!