We were literally top 10 chip stacks of 500 people so I wasnt really eager to get it all in pre. I didnt realize he would call 99 for this risky of a stack when Im repping QQ+, and then I obviously would check a set so for him to stab that.... IDK


Yatahay Network - 1500/3000 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 12.66 BB
SB: 55.94 BB
BB: 16.29 BB
UTG: 90.4 BB
Hero (UTG+1): 136.12 BB
MP: 213.6 BB
MP+1: 29.04 BB
CO: 12.21 BB

8 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has Q Q

fold, Hero raises to 2.1 BB, MP calls 2.1 BB, fold, CO raises to 12.08 BB and is all-in, BTN raises to 12.53 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, Hero raises to 24.55 BB, MP calls 22.45 BB

Flop: (76.21 BB, 4 players) 4 2 A
Hero checks, MP bets 25.11 BB, fold

Turn: (76.21 BB, 3 players) 2

River: (76.21 BB, 3 players) 8

BTN shows J J (Two Pair, Jacks and Twos)

MP shows 9 9 (Two Pair, Nines and Twos)

CO shows K Q (One Pair, Twos)

BTN wins 52.18 BB
MP wins 24.04 BB

Your sizing is far too small with the 5 bet pre. Make it a lot bigger and I think he puts those 9s in the trash.

What's your reasoning for not getting it in here? What hands could MP have that you're afraid of calling off with? I can't logically come up with any. If that's the case you should be fine raising larger or shoving. There's about 32bb in the pot when action is back on you- around a quarter of your stack. If I'm going to put in 40% of my stack with a proper raise, I'd rather shove instead. Which is what I think you should do here unless you have a valid reason to my first question.

I think u played it fine, make a note that mp is terrible.

I'm with the others who are pointing out that your last raise was too small. If you want to keep the pot small then just call the final all-in.

By making your last small raise you are giving Villain the right price to call with a huge stack and a PP or AJs+ so that when you check the flop he gets to bluff at the side pot.

In this spot I probably shove pre-flop. Villain shouldn't have KK+ because he called your original EP raise. If I was much deeper stacked I would probably raise to 50 bb's to charge Villain for calling in position.

So this was before I knew villain would make a terribly risky play: He had very normal stats and I assumed he was decent, so EP vs EP this deep stacked, with a lot of reshove stacks, I definitely put flatting with KK/AA in his range here. So I was very scared I was going to shove right into a trap. If I had an average size stack here I would have shoved, but it seemed risky given how deep stacked we were compared to the rest of the field

Fair enough.

But his call was not a "terribly risky play". You gave him the right price to set mine. If you are averse to shoving here then make it 37 bb's.

I don't think it's common at all for players to trap with AA/KK by flatting this deep, especially MP v EP. Usually done at much shallower stacks that easily allow to gii post- not 100bb+ deep. For this reason I disagree that you played it fine. You can't guard against every possible scenario, so you should choose the more likely scenario- you have the best hand and don't want to price villain in for too cheap.

Raise larger. Bet/fold the flop might be better.

Thats a valid point. I guess I was playing it safe here and not optimally

Villain has to call 22bb pre facing three strong ranges and main pot that has to go to showdown. It's not like they have the odds with their range. 99 played this pretty bad.

With the stack sizes behind, I would disagree. I probably flat AA/KK a lot in this spot as MP.

More than one player can play a hand sub-optimally. Also, he has to call 22bb in a pot of 54bb vs two all in players and an iso raise from OR who has over 110bbs left (giving implied odds close to 170bb) and who’s range could still have hands like ATs & KQo & 88. Players raise/iso with all sorts of stuff since their ranges are the only uncapped ones. Even if this player did not play this spot ideally, their mistake isn’t a large one. Especially if he’s able to steal the pot away postflop.

But regardless, identifying errors in our opponents play doesn’t exclude us from having them in the same hands. I do not see opponents trapping this deep from EP/MP, so it is a clear jam or raise large spot IMO.

I feel rusty commenting on non heads up hands, but jam pre seems fine imo. There's 31 BB out there already. Seems fine to develop to 5bet sizings. One for KK+ and maybe a few other hands which benefit from MP1 folding and then jamming some TT-QQ, AK type stuff.

more pre, dont price him in IP on huge pot.. agree w shove pre

You played it fine

Unlikely no one has an Ax hand

Shoving pre is easier but if u get him to put 22bb in pre with a dominated hand it cant be bad. Just unfortunate that the flop is Axx and he decides to bluff at it