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04-17-2018 , 09:39 PM
5th level, I have about 40,000 chip stack.

I've been extremely card dead in this tournament, only shown down 1 hand, pocket kings where I bet flop bet turn jammed river against what I ranged as a smaller overpair on 46822 board. I assume I have tight/nit image.

5th level blinds 250-500, 75 ante

UTG+3 get dealt 6s4s. Haven't played a hand in the last 15 hands. Raise to 1400.

Tight/weak older woman on the button calls with ~9000 chips behind. Player that is new to the game but on a heater with over 100k chips calls from the big blind.

Flop Ac2s3s

Big blind checks, hero bets 2500. Button calls. Big blind tanks then check raises to 7500.

Hero? Should we ever be bluff raising here?
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04-17-2018 , 09:52 PM
I would just call here. BTN isn't deep enough to reopen the betting action, so we're getting very good odds to see a turn card. I don't think BB is ever folding after c/raising into two players, so no I wouldn't have a bluff raising range here.
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04-18-2018 , 12:29 AM
as played, you're likely facing a jam ott regardless of what BTN does

also looking at a ton of reverse implied odds vv hands like K5ss, sets and 2pr which make up much of V range

peel 5K (and if it's 7K so be it) but tread carefully if you improve
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04-18-2018 , 02:00 AM
Agree with the others above, since the button is calling any bet we shouldnt really have a bluff range here. Just flat and play turns IP.
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04-18-2018 , 10:19 AM
There is a non-zero chance that button folds!

Call now and buckle up.
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04-18-2018 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by JSkelts
Agree with the others above, since the button is calling any bet we shouldnt really have a bluff range here. Just flat and play turns IP.
I'm not sure where you guys play, but RE the button always coming along, I have seen way more rediculous folds than this in tournaments at this price range, like folding when you've bet more than half your stack and getting like 8 to 1 or better.
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04-18-2018 , 12:01 PM
I might just jam it in here, especially in a reentry tournament. We probably don't have as much fold equity as we need, but we surely have decent equity against most of the BB range. In particular, I don't think BB is raising here with Spades, when he can close the action with a call. We might even get a bad fold from the button when she has better spades than we do, which would be a tremendous result.
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04-18-2018 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 3for3poker
I might just jam it in here, especially in a reentry tournament. We probably don't have as much fold equity as we need, but we surely have decent equity against most of the BB range. In particular, I don't think BB is raising here with Spades, when he can close the action with a call. We might even get a bad fold from the button when she has better spades than we do, which would be a tremendous result.
Whether we call or rejam shouldn't really impact BTN's decision since their stack is covered by BB's original raise. If anything, BTN should be more willing to call when we rejam because there's a chance that BB will fold.
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04-18-2018 , 04:21 PM
Dissapointed that no one has said fold pre yet 64s here is way 2 loose.
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04-18-2018 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by lolposting2016
Dissapointed that no one has said fold pre yet 64s here is way 2 loose.
Well I think that's obvious but OP already addressed that. But also, it's probably not that bad to open here. It's probably breakeven or very slightly -$EV. So given that we're playing live and bored, it might be +overall EV if we value killing our boredom.
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04-18-2018 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by poloplaya1414
Whether we call or rejam shouldn't really impact BTN's decision since their stack is covered by BB's original raise. If anything, BTN should be more willing to call when we rejam because there's a chance that BB will fold.

Sure it should. We are showing a stronger hand. How can that not impact Button's calling range? Plus, imagine a button with JTs who was calling with their flush draw. They may decide that their flush won't be good even if they make it, since we might be pushing the nut flush draw...
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04-18-2018 , 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 3for3poker
Sure it should. We are showing a stronger hand. How can that not impact Button's calling range? Plus, imagine a button with JTs who was calling with their flush draw. They may decide that their flush won't be good even if they make it, since we might be pushing the nut flush draw...
Fair. Although it’s good for us if BTN comes along with anything except a higher FD
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04-21-2018 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by lolposting2016
Dissapointed that no one has said fold pre yet 64s here is way 2 loose.
Is it really that bad to open from MP with 64ss when you have 80 BB? Isn't that part of small ball strategy? I find the reasoning of not having played a lot of hands weak but if I know loose players have folded and there are tighter players to act after me then I would open too.
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04-21-2018 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by sabloid
Is it really that bad to open from MP with 64ss when you have 80 BB? Isn't that part of small ball strategy? I find the reasoning of not having played a lot of hands weak but if I know loose players have folded and there are tighter players to act after me then I would open too.
I dont think its awful this deep but if we are opening here its definitely bottom of range. Certainly not opening 63s.
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04-22-2018 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by sabloid
Is it really that bad to open from MP with 64ss when you have 80 BB? Isn't that part of small ball strategy? I find the reasoning of not having played a lot of hands weak but if I know loose players have folded and there are tighter players to act after me then I would open too.
I think its kinda bad. I assume structure is quick so I feel you should be preserving your chipstack and looking for better spots. As played, I probably flat flop raise and pray for a spade. You probably have to fold turn though because you are going to face a big bet per the action.

I'm fine opening 64ss here kinda if you plan to C-bet almost every flop in a headsup pot and the table is going to play fit/fold and not look you up. I feel 64ss is more of a hand to open raise when we are super deep around 150bb+ and looking to get someone to make a big mistake. At 80bbs here you just donated 18bbs when you dont smash a spade or 5 on turn. I highely doubt the BB is going to let you see a free river.

Finally, if you do smash a spade or 5 on turn, I probaby slow down massively and check. Let opponent bet turn and punish him for it. If opponent checks turn, I prolly tank river and bet pot or above pot and hope you get a bad call.
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04-22-2018 , 12:50 PM
Do you think you are getting it in good for 150blinds when you make a flush? I’d rather have 80 bb for modest flushes...
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