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10-22-2017 , 10:10 PM

pokerchris

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3-4 suited diamonds on the button.

Effective stakes $25,000

Blinds 150-300

EP makes it 900 two call

I call.

Flop is a-2-5. Two clubs

BINGO!

EP bets $1,800, other guy calls, I go $5,000.

Both fold.

I was totally bummed. Should I have called? Was trying to inflate the pot so I could get it all in if they had big Ace.

Terrible play?

Later in the tourney I totally donked K-J suited on a jack high flop that I raised in mid position against a blind who had A-J. He check raised, I reraised and got almost stacked.

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10-23-2017 , 02:43 AM

Shortfuse

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Strike

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10-23-2017 , 03:04 AM

hitchens97

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Just so I understand this, you have 5 high and you're bummed that you took down the pot. Yes you have equity, but you're still behind any pp. The reason it's called a semi buff is because it's still a bluff.

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10-23-2017 , 04:45 AM

nny

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Originally Posted by hitchens97

Nah, flop is A25...

On the hand: i think raising vs two villains is fine with the flushdraw on the board is fine. two folds are not

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10-23-2017 , 05:04 AM

tzurp

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Absolutely fine and i think i would play the same
2 clubs 2 villains nice pot for early stages.

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10-23-2017 , 10:30 AM

hitchens97

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Originally Posted by nny

Nah, flop is A25...

On the hand: i think raising vs two villains is fine with the flushdraw on the board is fine. two folds are not

Oops sorry my bad

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10-23-2017 , 01:35 PM

onehandatatime

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The play is fine, you'd be more bummed if you hadn't raised it and lost against a flush

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10-23-2017 , 04:09 PM

pokerchris

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My goal was to double up, not protect my hand.

I thought by playing the flop fast was my best chance to get played back on.

I felt if I smooth called I would be bet into again and a turn raise would be scarier and easier for them to dump.

Do you agree that playing the nuts fast on a board that could easily have hit your opponents range is the best way to get a homerun, or should I have waited a street?

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10-23-2017 , 04:37 PM

Beachman42

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Most early doubles are the result of a cooler/huge equity scenario. If no one else hit this flop, it really doesn't matter if you play fast or slow. Had someone made a set, you would have GII almost no matter how it went.

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10-23-2017 , 05:37 PM

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jpgiro

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Strong flush draws, sets, two pair, and strong top pair (sometimes) are going to continue here, so the most likely scenario is that your opponents had some combination of a weak draw, middle pair or any airy c-bet. I think raising is fine, because we want to have the nuts when we raise so we can also raise when we don't.

Now all that being said, I think calling pre with 43s to an EP open is questionable at best.

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10-23-2017 , 08:40 PM

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2pairsof2s

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Originally Posted by jpgiro

This.

If they folded to your raise it was likely a dry well, no clubs or sets or big pairs to be had. If you flat call, the next thing you know somebody goes runner-runner and you've lost a stack. Don't want to get too fancy with a vulnerable hand in a multi-way pot.

if it's a multi-way pot and you're in position, you can go along for the ride now and then with a crap hand. In fact you should. But if you make a habit of it you will lose a lot of chips.

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10-23-2017 , 08:58 PM

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pokerchris

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Not claiming the call with 3-4 suited was right!

But what I did and if I make the nuts I want to win a big pot. Part of my being bummed was calling with a marginal holding, hitting gin and not winning more!

But all points above seem to validate the raise.

Thanks guys!

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10-24-2017 , 01:28 PM

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Beachman42

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Originally Posted by pokerchris

Not claiming the call with 3-4 suited was right!

But what I did and if I make the nuts I want to win a big pot. Part of my being bummed was calling with a marginal holding, hitting gin and not winning more!

But all points above seem to validate the raise.

Thanks guys!

& I want to win every d@mn MTT that I enter. Gotta learn to live with disappointment and move on without letting it affect your play in the next hand. No rearview mirror on the poker car!

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10-24-2017 , 05:56 PM

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pokerchris

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I moved on easily. Went to break shortly after. I donked my stack with K-J cause sometimes I play like a moron, not because that hand was effecting my play. Haha.

If I steam and still have decent chips, I take a walk and skip a few hands. My opinion, better to miss a few hands than play one bad.

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