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Old 08-10-2018, 01:59 PM   #26
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Re: Fold or call ? 330£ tourney 5 mins in

99 times outta 100 idk/don't wanna discuss results but kinda want to know what vill showed. Obv tldr so if it was previously mentioned I guess I'll get over it...
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Old 08-10-2018, 04:14 PM   #27
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Bonomo flew over to play it :-)

The main event (£125) is the largest field tournament outside of Vegas, 7.5k entrants.
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that's cool, 7.5k entrants is awesome
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Old 08-10-2018, 05:34 PM   #28
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99 times outta 100 idk/don't wanna discuss results but kinda want to know what vill showed. Obv tldr so if it was previously mentioned I guess I'll get over it...
Qc9c naked busted flush draw
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Old 08-11-2018, 03:27 PM   #29
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Re: Fold or call ? 330£ tourney 5 mins in

the turn raise sizing is by far the worst decision in the hand imo, and that's what ended up making river weird, because V (apparently) can show up with several busted fds
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Old 08-11-2018, 05:08 PM   #30
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the turn raise sizing is by far the worst decision in the hand imo, and that's what ended up making river weird, because V (apparently) can show up with several busted fds
What would you size to? I think it's a little on the small end, but it's a bit of an awkward spot given the SPR because if we go too much larger, we're effectively committing our stack and I'm not sure how many hands will pay us off.

I think I'd go to about 8K, and I'm not sure 6K is that big of a mistake.
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Old 08-12-2018, 01:56 PM   #31
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i cba to add up the pot size in this hand but yeah I think 7.5k-8.5k is reasonable
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Old 08-12-2018, 04:25 PM   #32
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lol super high roller $400
do you guys also have .25/.50 cash tables over there?
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Old 08-13-2018, 11:09 AM   #33
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do you think being so early in the tourney should help my decision ie my thinking at the time was its just so early to bluff all them bb lol thats what really made me fold, is this stupid thinking ?
This will be player dependent. Many good players will bluff early to gain chips so that they can do more things or at least play with a full arsenal for longer.

I prefer to bounce out early in tournaments than hang on and then fail to make the money. Also in most tournaments I bring enough for more than one buy-in. That helps with the fear mentality. And it also helps with playing very aggressively early (long ball).

There are tournaments where I can only play once and in these cases my mistakes are almost always in your direction. I talk myself out of calls/raises for all the wrong reasons.

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Also do you think the pfr played his hand fine is it profitable to call on the turn oop for all he knows i could of had 75 suited or was going to snap him off with 2 pair he has no info on me.

At the time i really just thoughts hes got to have ace 5 suited i mean minimum he must of put me on was top 2 so what do you think of his shove i think in the pfr eyes i look so strong so why would he think he can get me off my hand if that makes sense this is why i also thought he cant be bluffing as i look so strong.(this was kind of my main thinking at the time) That i look so strong so i why is this guy gonna bluff 300+ bb into me 5 mins into the tourney surely you can wait for a better spot lol

I was trying to put myself in his head like this random guy has raised into 2 people in a big pot really considering it was 5 mins in and now my plan is to bluff him.

I just couldnít see it happening 5 mins in a tourney this random guy is repping a massive hand that could be a calling station for all I know and now Iím going to try get himOff his hand by putting my whole stack in after playing 3 hands. This is what my decision come down to haha I was screaming in my head he canít be bluffing for this reason

do you get what i mean when Im talking about this psychological aspect. what do you think of my thoughts here ?
I think this is Monsters under the bed thinking.

When a player bombs the river for > pot it is always polarizing. Either he has a monster or he has a bluff.

In this hand it is unlikely he would do this with just one or even two pair because the straights came in and you can have a set. And he has showdown value. Similarly with AA/88 he shoves the turn in case you are semi-bluffing or have the hand you actually had or even top two you might call.

So I would look at the flop and decide if there are enough combos of bluffs vs. combos that have 5's. And consider that if he does have 75s its probably all going in on the turn.

Also consider that with most combos that have a 5 villain is folding a lot of the time to your turn raise. So A5 is one of the only hands you are really afraid of. Maybe some other flush draws that have a 5 like 65.

Finally, calling here has additional advantages because you are showing your hand and if you are catching a bluff you will have the image of being sticky. So maybe it will help avoid facing bluffs down the road.
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Old 08-13-2018, 12:28 PM   #34
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This will be player dependent. Many good players will bluff early to gain chips so that they can do more things or at least play with a full arsenal for longer.

I prefer to bounce out early in tournaments than hang on and then fail to make the money. Also in most tournaments I bring enough for more than one buy-in. That helps with the fear mentality. And it also helps with playing very aggressively early (long ball).
Very true. I know that most players don't think this way, but when I play, I'm always looking to maximize my hourly rate and make the best use of my time. If we view that as a goal, the best result we can achieve short of actually cashing is to bust very very early. When we bust early, we are saving ourselves time that we can use to either rebuy if that's allowed (which should be +EV if we believe we can an edge in the first place) or play cash games that are +EV, or do something else with our valuable time.

In other words, we prefer the following, in order of preference:

1st place > 2nd place> 3rd place.... > Last guy to cash> First guy to bust > Second guy to bust>... Last guy to bust on bubble

So with that frame in mind, I love to gamble on marginally +EV spots early. I'm not going to make plays that are -EV, but if I could take a coinflip for my stack on the first hand of every tournament I play, I would. Of course, this is a slightly higher variance style so we have to make sure we're rolled accordingly, but in terms of variance, the impact of gambling it up early pales in comparison to the impact of randomness in later stages so if you're not comfortable gambling for your stack early in the tournament from a bankroll management perspective, you really shouldn't be playing.
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Old 08-13-2018, 10:42 PM   #35
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Re: Fold or call ? 330£ tourney 5 mins in

Bomb the flop and barrel like cray. These are UK casinos we're talking about, I've played a few Genting £150's down Southend and the play is honestly worse than 1c/2c stars. Until you have history with a player you gotta go with a default and that's snappity. Also you said alot of people know him so he sounds like a verbal character. They're always the bluffiest. It's the quiet ones u wanna watch.
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Old 08-14-2018, 06:29 PM   #36
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Re: Fold or call ? 330£ tourney 5 mins in

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This will be player dependent. Many good players will bluff early to gain chips so that they can do more things or at least play with a full arsenal for longer.

I prefer to bounce out early in tournaments than hang on and then fail to make the money. Also in most tournaments I bring enough for more than one buy-in. That helps with the fear mentality. And it also helps with playing very aggressively early (long ball).

There are tournaments where I can only play once and in these cases my mistakes are almost always in your direction. I talk myself out of calls/raises for all the wrong reasons.


I think this is Monsters under the bed thinking.

When a player bombs the river for > pot it is always polarizing. Either he has a monster or he has a bluff.

In this hand it is unlikely he would do this with just one or even two pair because the straights came in and you can have a set. And he has showdown value. Similarly with AA/88 he shoves the turn in case you are semi-bluffing or have the hand you actually had or even top two you might call.

So I would look at the flop and decide if there are enough combos of bluffs vs. combos that have 5's. And consider that if he does have 75s its probably all going in on the turn.

Also consider that with most combos that have a 5 villain is folding a lot of the time to your turn raise. So A5 is one of the only hands you are really afraid of. Maybe some other flush draws that have a 5 like 65.

Finally, calling here has additional advantages because you are showing your hand and if you are catching a bluff you will have the image of being sticky. So maybe it will help avoid facing bluffs down the road.
6c on flop so he can only have a5 c 910c

I definitely do not hang on in tourneys haha I think bluffing into a strong range 5 mins in is bad play imo yes it worked now but most of you guys are saying easy call. The problem is I leveled myself into thinking the villain must know Iím super strong so whys he gonna try bluff me off my massive hand and if heís wrong heís out I understand about the care for first bullet but even if he has 5 itís really ambitious and hard to get me to fold there.

After taking everything in I think against this player I should of called. The read I got from him and general image was that he come to
Play.

I just wasnít ready to be put to the test this early I donít think itís ever happened lmao so I did learn from the hand it just shocked me that I havenít e even got comfy and I could be driving home if Iím wrong. Please donít think I play scared poker lol I ended up doing a massive bluff in the tourney to get knocked out itís just 5 mins in I wonít lie I wasnít ready for this that early lol !
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Old 08-14-2018, 06:47 PM   #37
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Very true. I know that most players don't think this way, but when I play, I'm always looking to maximize my hourly rate and make the best use of my time. If we view that as a goal, the best result we can achieve short of actually cashing is to bust very very early. When we bust early, we are saving ourselves time that we can use to either rebuy if that's allowed (which should be +EV if we believe we can an edge in the first place) or play cash games that are +EV, or do something else with our valuable time.

In other words, we prefer the following, in order of preference:

1st place > 2nd place> 3rd place.... > Last guy to cash> First guy to bust > Second guy to bust>... Last guy to bust on bubble

So with that frame in mind, I love to gamble on marginally +EV spots early. I'm not going to make plays that are -EV, but if I could take a coinflip for my stack on the first hand of every tournament I play, I would. Of course, this is a slightly higher variance style so we have to make sure we're rolled accordingly, but in terms of variance, the impact of gambling it up early pales in comparison to the impact of randomness in later stages so if you're not comfortable gambling for your stack early in the tournament from a bankroll management perspective, you really shouldn't be playing.
Truth is I havenít really traveled from my local before Iíve onky just stared to drive. I had been playing all week, I bubbled the side event, few bullets in the main. This was the last one so I was excited still, as I said before Iím not afraid to get my chips in at any point if I see a spot. But 5 mins in I was definitely shocked. Iím not used to guys putting me all in after 2 hands lol but Iím ready for the next guy haha

Iíll always gamble my stack early if I think itís right, but why would I when I have 500 B.B. I donít think I need to,I think I chose my spots very well. Iím trying to build up my roll, yeah this was a bigger buyin that normally but it didnít affect me that much. 5 mins in tho different story I just wasnít ready for that
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