ACR $80 $50k guarantee. We have 92 players left, 90 are paid. I am table chip leader (45 bbs). Main V here also has a decent stack (25 bbs) and has played pretty solid.

OTTH

UTG +1 (~25 bbs) limps, BU (~20 bbs) limps, I complete from SB with 67. BB (main V) checks his option.

Flop (5 bbs): 765. I lead for 2 bbs. V and UTG +1 call.

Turn (11 bbs): 3. I lead for 6 bbs. V calls, UTG +1 folds.

River (23 bbs): Q. I bet 6 bbs. V piles for 10 more bbs. When I bet small on the river, my thinking was that it was the perfect time for a defensive bet, because there aren't many players who would pile on this board without the goods at the money bubble after all the strength I showed. But when he did pile I tanked forever, wondering if he could really do this with a missed draw.

what are you expecting to call there that you beat?

Missed draws (of which there are a ton) are the only hands I could expect to beat here.

so then why are you betting? they can bluff with a missed draw but they'll never call.

for the record, was just curious about meta and wanted to double check

as played i think you gotta fold

if we had a time machine i think it's a x/c river but fold to bets that are very big

I put out a blocker/defensive bet, because I thought it was less likely a typical V would raise bluff here, than bluff if I checked the river.

If I simply shoved on the river, then V will only call if he has it.

I should add that V likely has a calling range for this small bet here I beat too -- consisting of one pair hands that think I'm pressing my missed draws.

In the end, you may be right that x/c is better, but I was afraid I was going to have to muck if I checked, as if V wanted to bluff, he should just pile.

well i'm out of the current meta so my advice could be terrible in all honesty, i'm sure if you wait more people will chime in

BB has all 4x and no 88+ and v few Qx missed fd so if he’s playing solid it’s a fold now. You beat none of his value range.

River is genuinely tough whether to bf xc xf, given V has all 8x and fd and every incentive to jam psb with a slight nut advantage. For that reason I doubt 6bb/f is far off optimal and line looks ok. Just a shitty spot.

Thanks OS. It really was a shitty spot, but glad to hear you don't think there were any obvious blunders. Personally, I think V has zero value I beat given I cover him and we are at the bubble -- no way I would jam Qxs if I were in V's spot. V was either bluffing a missed draw, or had a 4 (off chance he was reeling me in with 89, but I would think he'd have to find a raise before the river with as wet as that board was).

Maybe x/r the flop, rather than leading from the SB 4-ways?

I think x/r is more viable if it wasn't a limped pot. I was afraid it gets checked through on such a wet board that favors the blinds. But, I don't think it's a bad option.

I am probably jut being a stubborn fish here, but getting 39/10bbs, I’m calling it off.

If you are definitely calling it off, then I do think x/c is a better line.

I think x-call is the best option OTR. Hard to range them after 2 limps from ep. If he limps utg 25bb with so much icm pressure here I doubt he's solid.

This should have been a c/c or shove IMO. I don't think the villain is going to be just calling the flop with a straight and the turn with another player behind them and the board being double suited Unless they have 9s8s or 9d8d.

You should be shoving the river and are more likely to get hero called with whatever they were calling you with.

That might be true in a Non ICM spot. Here, I think shoving is just terrible. Quite possibly never getting called with worse. Would you hero on the bubble here with a worse hand?

The V who stuck around, and who I described as solid was BB, not the original UTG +1 limper.

X/C definitely has merit ... I just thought at the time, it would be harder for almost every V at these stakes to bluff over my bet, than to bluff shove if I checked.