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Flopped set - how to get max value? Flopped set - how to get max value?

09-12-2014 , 08:28 PM
Table has been pretty tight. Not much 3-betting and many pots taken down by min-raise pre-flop. Not much history with villain, but from what I've seen he's been pretty tight. On this flopped set, what's the best line here to maximize value?


WSOP.com -- Tournament #355825 $10 + $1
$100/$200 Blinds + 25 Ante Total number of players : 9

Seat 1: (HERO)PARoughrider ( $15,686 )
Seat 2: The2one5th ( $8,727 )
Seat 3: Ba113r ( $19,200 )
Seat 4: MJaffeNJ ( $10,358 )
Seat 5: (BTN) buddyboxing ( $4,504 )
Seat 6: (SB) Ishmael ( $17,077 )
Seat 7: Brilliant27 ( $11,275 )
Seat 9: RonMexico ( $12,240 )
Seat 10: drybonez50 ( $11,400 )

Dealt to Hero [9, 9]

UTG folds
UTG +1 folds
Hero raises to $475
folds
folds
folds
folds
SB Ishmael calls [$375]
BB folds

** Dealing flop ** [ 7, T, 9 ]
Ishmael checks
PARoughrider checks

** Dealing turn ** [ A ]
Ishmael checks
Hero: ????
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09-12-2014 , 09:05 PM
Bet flop
Bet turn
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09-12-2014 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ssnyc
Bet flop
Bet turn
this (very much so!)

i think we are asking to be punished if we check back this draw-heavy flop
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09-12-2014 , 10:42 PM
What about sizing? I'd go for 55-60% flop and a bit less on the turn (less in terms of pot %)
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09-12-2014 , 11:48 PM
nice flop check
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09-13-2014 , 01:01 AM
OP u can answer a lot of these Qs yourself by thinking more about opponent ranges and playing to max value vv that range. Typical preflop floating ranges include all kinds of mid pairs, paint etc. this is the nut best flop to cbet and barrel, because most of V range connects in some way. Start betting for value ASAP
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09-13-2014 , 05:42 AM
On this flop, bet - bet -bet. If the board is dry a check is fine but not on a board like this. And as someone already posted, you are asking to be punished by drawing hands.
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09-13-2014 , 10:43 AM
If you're unsure what do you now then I'll tell you you should bet.
Purpose of a bet - to get value.

However it's hilarious I guess villan had some J8s and it's kind of a slow play challenge where everything is smooth and calm till river where it suddenly explodes. ))
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09-13-2014 , 10:57 AM
You need a value range on this flop and 99 should very much be part of it.
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09-13-2014 , 07:37 PM
The flop is very wet and hits the range of the caller in the SB a lot more than the ep raiser. Your cbet will not get that many folds and you can't allow a free card with so many draws. Absolutely horrible flop check in position.

OTT board is now a lot wetter, which should be good for getting action, but unfortunately you represent the ace well.

With the wet board, I would bet large on both streets.
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09-13-2014 , 11:57 PM
Thanks for comments. This kind of situation comes up a lot with top pair or flopped set or straight. As played, I checked flop hoping to induce villain to bet the turn. On turn after villain's check, I bet 1/2 pot and villain folded. Can't let him see a free river. Not sure if villain would have called flop bet. I guess some of the time villain will connect with the ace and call the turn and maybe river, but other times ace on the turn will kill the action since villain has no ace and my checked flop and bet turn looks a lot like an ace.

On reflection, probably right that this board can connect with villain a lot and give him a lot of draws to call with, so I lost value by not betting the flop.
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09-14-2014 , 01:09 AM
This is just horrible. It is a basic rule not to slow play a wet board. You give him a free card to draw to beat you. Plus if you bet he may checkraise and maybe gii with a big made hand or combo draw.
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09-14-2014 , 08:47 AM
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You have to bet turn 1/3 pot min.
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09-14-2014 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by martinoo
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You have to bet turn 1/3 pot min.
1/3 pot would be terrible.
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09-14-2014 , 11:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ssnyc
Bet flop
Bet turn
This
Easy game
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09-14-2014 , 04:03 PM
Suicidal checking that flop with a set,,

think to yourself have you been c betting alot of the time when having a hand or not??
have you been checking back alot of the flops when you have hit big, by continiuos plays like this you will be too exploitable and it doesnt take a good player to realise this.

Just out of curiosity, if a q of hearts fell on the turn and he leads,, would you be flat calling or looking to stick in a raise with this super wet board!!
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09-14-2014 , 11:37 PM
Bet big OTF, bet bigger OTT
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