Yatahay Network - 500/1000 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CAMTNeer (BB): 29.99 BB
DonMario58 (UTG): 34.14 BB
AgoraJaBateu (UTG+1): 82.76 BB
BabesAndMoney (MP): 48.63 BB
sirf7 (MP+1): 64.1 BB
WiseJK (CO): 26.67 BB
wsopboy93 (BTN): 50.71 BB
Adriano2506 (SB): 19.78 BB

8 players post ante of 0.13 BB, Adriano2506 posts SB 0.5 BB, CAMTNeer posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) WiseJK has 9 J

fold, fold, fold, fold, WiseJK raises to 2 BB, wsopboy93 calls 2 BB, fold, CAMTNeer raises to 7.12 BB, fold, wsopboy93 calls 5.12 BB

Flop: (17.75 BB, 2 players) 2 9 5
CAMTNeer bets 6.32 BB, wsopboy93 raises to 43.46 BB and is all-in, CAMTNeer calls 16.42 BB and is all-in

Turn: (63.24 BB, 2 players) T

River: (63.24 BB, 2 players) 5

CAMTNeer shows Q Q (Two Pair, Queens and Fives)
(Pre 68%, Flop 79%, Turn 88%)
wsopboy93 shows K 5 (Three of a Kind, Fives)
(Pre 32%, Flop 21%, Turn 12%)
wsopboy93 wins 63.24 BB


Hey all, I had played this hand this past week on ACR in a $200 mtt on a Sunday. I was just wondering if the call pre by the button is standard or really bad? I feel its really bad but I might be wrong. The flat of my open from the button seems standard but calling a BB 3bet (squeeze) here seems really bad. Maybe i'm wrong but button is a winning player so just wondering if this is just a standard flat of a bb squeeze pre by button or pure spew?

I'm leaning toward pure spew but just wondering.

***BTW i meant is this a flat by the button pre in my post title***

At 30bb baseline is calling 50% with K5s Bu vs CO.

But with a 20bb stack sitting in the sb I'd be a little wary and play a bit tighter. The call vs the squeeze is for sure losing.

K5s isn't even close to call v 3bet.

Continuing range for BTN v BB 3! should be suited broadway, mid AXs, 55+, AT-AJo

Edit: Mind you, if I'd just won $250K live, I'd splash around a bit too

BTN facing CO open, 30bb effective:

K5s is near the bottom of BTN's continuation range, but it still continues with K5s



Facing the BB squeeze, BTN should fold K5s. The solver rates calling as -0.09bb relative to a fold.

I was gonna say that K5s is probably our worst suited Kx call BTN vs. CO, so it's not in the universe of a hand we should be calling a 3-bet with even at that sizing.

Its kinda irritating to see people that crush on ACR make mistakes like this and win a lot? Like flatting K5 suited here to me seems like the easiest fold decision in the world. I wanna say the BB had snug stats also. Just seems like a mistake a crushing reg wouldn't and should make?

Like I can be behind flatting a cutoff open against a wide opener but calling a squeeze by bb on shallow stack just seems bad. MBN to run well.

When you are running well, I imagine there is an overstated confidence in one's postflop abilities. That seems to be the case here. I do see successful players expanding their ranges, presumably for this reason.

I am of the opinion that ranges shouldn't be static; we shouldn't be VPIPing the same hands against Michael Addamo as we would Bill Perkins. There are plenty of hands that are close to zero EV that will change value depending on who the Villain is (or the table composition when we are RFIing)

IDK. I think all of the solver info above is for HU play. The fact that there is a third player definitely changes things here. Most importantly, it significantly raises the immediate pot odds to call after CO calls. I am probably not calling vs cutoffs open pre here, but if I did, CO's call would make it tempting to overcall with my suited K IP.

EDIT: Sorry, misread the hand. CO did fold. My bad.

flatting K5s OTB vs CO is going to cost you a lot of chips. I don't care what your solver says at these stacks. The main problem is playability. In this situation the BTN got squeezed and he ended up making an even bigger mistake. If we are deeper stacked, then there is more playability but not at 26BB effective.

What are you going to end up doing is facing a small bet on most flops and end up playing a guessing game most of the time. At least a hand like 65s, you know what you are trying to hit.

I think flatting vs cutoff is fine but calling a squeeze is just terrible. Cutoff is going to be opening super wide here. I’m fine with fold pre with K5 suited here though because you set up a squeeze from blinds and also give them great price to call in which case K5 is going to win less than 1/3 of the time.

BB's 3-bet is pretty tiny, too. OOP vs. two people and only 3.5x the original raise? When there are two overcards to your pair that people frequently play even to a 3-bet?

If I was playing thinking players I'd probably shove from BB and hope one of them calls light thinking I'm on a squeeze. Might do it most of the time since a proper 3-bet is going to be so much of my stack anyway.