1) As has been said, starting stacks were only 50k.
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(Also anyone who thinks Daniel didn't **** up the structure of this event should look at this hand, sweet to be faced with a decision for all your chips in a $25K event where it goes 3bet/call pre and then bet/bet/bet post).
You just couldn't be more wrong. This structure was absolutely amazing. Starting 600 BB deep only to have 50 BB stacks 6 levels later is the worst. Having 4 levels of 150/300 was awesome.
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c'mon this is the first hand of a deep stack tournament. The chances of him running some big 3 street bluff is pretty low imo.
Wrong. My bluffing frequency on the 1st hand is the same as it is on the 20th hand, and if yours isn't, you're doing it wrong (especially if you have previous history vs your opponent).
4) A bunch of people say to 4 bet. I honestly think in this spot that if you play well postflop, you shouldn't have a 4 betting range vs me at all. I'm not going to say why. If you're afraid of getting outplayed, then 4 bet away.
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The bet was 3500 into 6450. If he had spades or AA AK 77 88 etc i would imagine he bets closer to 5k.
You need to think more about ranges when you play poker rather than "what do I have right now?". It's best for my overall range in this spot to bet small on the flop, and increase bet size on the turn.
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in my live experience with zj he pretty much always acts very fast
A) This is very true.
B) Charder failed to mention that he acted fairly slow in the hand, which basically negates the importance of me acting quickly. I'm obviously thinking about what I'm going to do when it's his turn to act, so you can basically add that time to the amount time I spent thinking on each decision.
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can't he have hands better than A2 but worse than AK in his river bluff range?
Todd is right. I can absolutely be bluffing hands that beat A2 but lose to AK, although I often play those hands differently on the 3 previous streets (but not always). And if I bet A2 on the river, it would 100% be a bluff (I only clarify this because someone suggested otherwise).
8. Bet sizes are: 3500 into 6500 on flop. 11,500 into 13,500 on turn, and 32,000 into 36,500 on river. Anyone that thinks Turn or River is an overbet is just wrong. Every time someone calls the turn a PSB it makes me cringe. If you think my betsizing indicates strength or weakness in this hand, you really need to learn how to betsize with your range rather than your hand.
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It wouldn't make sense to barrel the turn (esp that size) without at least a gutshot. So let's look at the most likely hands: T9s/J9s/QTs/JTs/QJs. 20 combo's of which 5 are flushes on the turn and 6 of the other 15 hit the river..
Combined with the very strong looking turn c/c I think it's a fold. We really need him to 3 barrel alot of complete air (on the first hand of a 25k) to make it a call.
Whether or not I barrel turn depends on how often I think he has hands like JJ or an ace that he will fold. Bet sizing is standard regardless of my hand. You still make a good point that even if I was bluffing preflop and/or on flop, I'm likely to be huge by the river.
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guessing he knows about the thread by now (if not someone tell him duh), so I'd assume he wont
Actually didn't know about it until Hevad IMed me about it just now.
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you really think he's playing TT pf like this on the first hand of a deep stack tourney?
When in position, being deepstacked should increase your 3 betting range, not decrease it. And if I'm increasing my bluff range, I have to inrease my value range as well.
12. I think Charder played the hand flawlessly preflop/flop/turn. I don't like any other option on any of those streets. Not going to comment directly on his river play just yet.
13. It's entirely possible that my range on the turn is so strong, that I will bluff every single possible bluff combination on the river (including hands as strong as nut 1 pairs or weak 2 pairs). It's also entirely possible that despite that being the case, the river is still a fold. It's also fairly likely that AK is the exact hand in his range that should sometimes call/sometimes fold, where all hands better always call, and all hands worse always fold.
If prop bets on what I had get big enough, I will share my hand for 2% of the winners cut ;p I swear to 100% tell the truth. Obv if you don't trust me, you shouldn't make the bet.
Last edited by ZeeJustin; 01-21-2010 at 07:59 PM.