Saw Steve O'Dwyer after I won, all he said was "hes in there, maybe he will finally tell you" and no context was needed, I knew exactly what he meant (didn't ask Justin though, if he wants to say he can, I dont really care anymore)

But, I do think I gave a tell on the turn that I was legit not quite happy with the situation and possibly he picked up on that and was confident I didn't have a flush.

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Ugh, every time I read this thread I cringe at how condescending I used to be. I really hope I haven't come off that way in years

At least there's some minor solace knowing it was 7 years ago

Congrats Charder on the PCA win!

Ahhhh, the days when 2p2 was strategically good and not filled with whining and scams.

RIP

Meh, you more or less came off fine in the thread except for your weird reaction to the 100K BBs deep discussion (which I assume now you would say for sure you can still play a bunch of hands even when 100K BBs deep OOP)

Beyond that you were giving some great 2010 MTT Strategy for free, I kinda like some condescension in my Strategy posters, at least it means they are confident and serious about what they are saying!

Reveal plz

Bluff

If you ask me, which you aren't, then I think he had it.
It's human nature that makes it more likely for someone to reveal (be proud of) a bluff than admitting to having had the goods. Enough time has elapsed that a reveal now would not damage his game. A bluff would have been revealed by now.
So, no poker theory, but he had it. Surely. QED.

Good read.

P.S congrats Charder.

I believe ZJ is more intellectually disciplined than this.

Too intellectually disciplined to triple barrel spew with air on the 1st hand of a HR too then.

Still re-reading that full thread in 2018.... Have to say it is still pure gold.
Pretty sick to be able to go through 8 years of HSMTT with a single and og thread.

That never revealed hand seems like a glitch in the matrix by now

Cheers to all of you high stakes guys who were willing to share your views

The One Drop, too - okay. But you are not going to win another tournament for the rest of your life, if you do not tell us what you had.

it's year 2027, Zeejustin passed the 200M USD mark on hendonmob and Rumor has it 2+2ers are still waiting for the hand to be revealed.

lol wow. Bonomo understood in 2010 what I'm finally starting to get a grasp of in 2018. =/

packet tens!

Seems like a mix OTR, prob explo fold in practice if you don't think he's turning AsQx, AsJx into a bluff.

Most of IP range is satisfying some minimum SDV level so the only real qualifications of a combo being a good bluffing combo are how good the blockers are and OOP mostly gonna snap AsQs, AsJs, AsTs, As5s so blocking nut flushes really paramount for IP bluff selection. JsJx, QsQx are good bluffs too but not everyone is barreling these or using 1/2 pot flop sizing with these or tripling them.


IP could have too many TT,88 for all-in sizing depending on how much 77 OOP has and whether he thinks OOP folds 77. IP having 88,AA (though having AA for this cbet sizing is dubious) should be enough to parry OOP from xr flop with lots of 77 this deep. 77 especially would not be in great shape GII OTF.


So taken together it seems like the balance of universes will have IP too merged and you beat none of his value range and too strong due to underbluffing and almost everyone in almost every spot is underbluffing anyway so explo fold seems best.


Turn sizing seems really important, it's pretty silly sizing since OOP prob has more flushes, potentially a lot more.

Flop is pretty big too. Equities are really close at the top of the distribution so IP range advantage mostly derives from having less air and more AQo,AJo,AA--these are not combos that enjoy moderate cbet sizing in lieu of something much smaller. AA hate that 1/2 pot sizing blocking so much of OOP's continue range and AJ-AQ really just not strong enough to go so large OTF.

What does (probably) too big flop followed by (almost surely) too big turn mean?

Bump
Who’s run the pio sim for this hand?

Never read this thread. Wish I’d read it back then.

Wow

Justin had the flush rightttttttt