Hi all would appreciate feedback on this hand I played yesterday, especially with regard to two questions below. All opinions very welcome.

It's day 1B of the Malta Poker Chamiponship Main Event on Pokio, €150 buy in. It is a re-entry in the sense that there are 4 day 1s and if I bust I can buy back the following days to Day 1C/1D. Structure is quite slow - 10k starting stack 15 minute blinds. Blinds currently 25/50 and this is my first hand as I regged ~45 minutes late.

Folds around to me on the button, I open to 150 with 43, BB calls. I started with 10k, he barely covers.

Flop comes K34 (pot 325), BB open shoves for 9850 effective, hero?

1) Am I overthinking what is a trivial call or could I consider folding here?

2) If this is a call, what is the absolute bottom of our calling range here?

Will post results later

Its a rebuy type tourny the guy is probably aiming to have a huge chip stack to play on.

Really makes no sense for him to play KK 33 44 this way

Maybe K3 or K4 who knows.

I don't think there is a right or wrong answer to this hand. Fold and move on 150chips down

Or

Get it in and hope he drawing

Your hand v Ad As is 69% to win

your hand v 5s 6s is 46% to win

your hand v As 5s is 55% to win (or As 2s)


Your hand v Js Qs is 62.9% to win (same if he has AsQs etc)

If he has KK you're crushed


I would say this is a "depends" spot - i don't know how ICM works - i am sure its probably a fold using that.

I would fold simply because i have invested nearly nothing and i would value my 1st life more than a flip.


edit: i would actually call cos im a real calling station ha

I agree that this looks very much like an attempt to build a giant stack -- the most likely candidate (by far, in my experience) is AsXs -- maybe AsKs, in which case it's basically a flip. If I'm ready to play either or both of the next two days, I'm getting it in.

I'm definitely happy to play both of the next two days if necessary.

I think he can definitely have some AsXs - but I think he 3bets a lot of those at least some of the time. I actually thought in the moment that the shove was heavily weighted towards either KsXs (which I'm flipping with) or combo draws which I'm ahead of by a small margin.

How light do you call it off with here though?

I'm not so sure. You might be right. I think it's very close

I usually disregard icm this early, and only look at cEV as well as the chance to build monster stacks in re-entry type events.

how did the hand play out

What will you do with your time if you bust?
If it was a live event calling is fine because if you win you get a nice early double up and if you lose you can just go and get drunk/laid/robbed at one of the many Gentlemen’s Clubs.

I tanked for a minute and called, he tabled KT, board runs out clean and I double up

Bottom two or combo draw is probably the bottom of my range.

This is a trivial call IMO.

Which also makes AK a trivial call. I would think about KQ a bit and probably call. I think I fold KJ here - but maybe I call anyway because this looks so much like a double draw.

Only once have I ever had a guy shove on me this early with a set. And it was a raise over my cbet. I called because it seemed like such a huge overbet that it was unlikely to be for value.

And here he is so unlikely to have a set. I think K4s/K3s are possibilities but again don't understand why he doesn't c/r for value making it look like he has a draw. And the all-in part so early on makes no sense either.

Along these lines I once was playing in a small tourney (like this) and had a guy shoved all in from the SB first in with over 100 bb's. I had AA in the BB and called and he had ATo and I held. FTR I don't know what I would have done with KK/QQ/JJ/AK there. But I would lean towards a call I think...

It is just such a bad play to shove with so many chips because the gain is so small vs the potential catastrophic loss.

Villains line makes no sense.

When the villains line makes absolutely zero sense, I think you are back to how strong is my hand on this board.

I think your relative strength on this board is pretty good.

Turn the King into the 6 or 7 of spades, I think we have to find the fold button.

This is a snap call and this should've been snap moved to BBV. I'm calling all my KXss and KQ+

Very trivial call even with a strong Kx, nobody really open jams like this with a 2p+ hand here, the ones that want to level you into calling off usually take a x/jam line imo... only Kx that I would fold are my weakest ones that also block his straight draws...

why would anything that beats you shove there?I cant see this being a fold ever in any situation apart from maybe bubble situations and final table ICM scenarios.
Possibbly fold K9 or worst if you arent going to re-enter

I'm slightly frustrated that all of the comments calling this a trivial call have come after I've posted the results. I'm not saying they are wrong (and indeed they probably are right) but I would have been able to give them so much more credit in my mind if they were made before results were posted. Particularly the ones saying they call with KQ+ (because I absolutely would have folded KQ, AK and AA here). I should have waited a few more days maybe.

Anyway thanks a lot for all the replies,will definitely take them on board.

And I’m slightly frustrated to see a thread about a hand in a $150 live donkament (rebuy!) where some drooler open shoves for 30x pot and you’re thinking of folding 2 pair, but hey, that’s life.

You only had basically 3 replies about the hand before you posted the results,you only waited 2 days FFS!! Sorry you expect the whole 2+2 community to be posting replies to you immediately about a donk shove into 2 pair

If I came across like a dick I apologise. I genuinely meant that as a chastisement of myself, not everyone who was kind enough to comment. I can see how I came across though and I am sorry.

Looking back - I came across like a complete ass in my comment and I apologise. I meant it as a "I was foolish to post results too quickly" comment but I can see that it came across as entitled and as if I was undermining all the replies I got. All I can say is sorry! And I genuinely am grateful for the advice.