no info on villain
Is this an easy fold or not?


PokerStars, $100 + $9 - Hold'em No Limit - 15/30 (5 ante) - 9 players


UTG: 5,000 (167 bb)
UTG+1: 5,000 (167 bb)
MP: 5,000 (167 bb)
MP+1: 5,000 (167 bb)
LP: 5,000 (167 bb)
CO (Hero): 5,000 (167 bb)
BU: 5,000 (167 bb)
SB: 5,000 (167 bb)
BB: 5,000 (167 bb)

Pre-Flop: (90) Hero is CO with A♠ J♠
5 players fold, Hero raises to 90, 1 fold, SB 3-bets to 450, 1 fold, Hero calls 360

Flop: (975) 8♣ J♥ K♠ (2 players)
SB bets 720, Hero calls 720

Turn: (2,415) 5♦ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (2,415) 7♣ (2 players)
SB bets 3,825 (all-in)

Hero?

Pre is pretty marginal TBH against the huge 3bet sizing. I assume folding is exploitative, but even with the antes your price sucks. Also 10% of your stack is a significant portion to yield in the interest of calling a huge raise and hoping to get lucky--I think you can use those chips more wisely. Without reads I'd assume his range is super strong, something like {TT+,AJs+,KQs,AQo+}, maybe even tighter, and you don't have immediate odds to see the flop so unless you have a solid plan on how to overrealize your equity you can prob just muck it pre and not tell anyone if you feel like a dirty, stinkin' nit (not that there's anything wrong with that).

V's river sizing too is lol because of how infrequently you ever have a hand that calls; therefore, this should always be a bluff because he's killing his value range (how could fat value EVER get paid off here?). But in practice this is always like the nuts so I think we just fold.

Based on sizings alone I'd just assume henceforth that this V is a huge fish.

Good response jl121, I don't have much to add. I'm probably letting this go pre...but I'm definitely a nit. But honestly...dust off 90 chips and carry on. Seems as though you'll have plenty of spots to exploit his play later on. Folding here may be exploitable long-term, but in this spot, against this sizing in this stage of the tourney...don't sweat it.

I agree we can let this go pre flop, unless we have convincing stats on the player or we knew he was a super fishy fish, since his 3-bet range is generally crushing AJ.

Incredibly weird line for this Villain. When playing these spots with overbets by fishy players, I lean toward folding. As stated above, his line makes zero sense and he should have no real value range here. I dont want to put my whole tournament life with second pair on the first hand against this madness. I take his big 3-bet as a sign of great strength, and fold.

I would call pre( i would fold aj but cal ajs, but cont bet is quite huge
I would fold flop and river as well..

I would call pre but it's definitely borderline. We should call with a very tight range here though, and AJs is definitely near the bottom.

That means that we don't have to call as many hands on the flop. AJs with the BDFD is probably still a call, but again, it's near the bottom of our continue range, which means this is an easy fold on the river.

The last two parts aren’t right. His sizing otr is just fine it makes me think u haven’t really studied these spots to figure out optimal sizings

I have done these kind of calls and i have never seen bluffs
Probbaly ak,aa,mayby kk
Flop pot size bet shows already he wants to protect is hand. Flop call is so borderline decision. I wouldnt mind folding as well

Pre-Flop call is a little loose so early in the tourney w/o having much info on V, but having position makes it a somewhat better call. Quite a raise pre by villian, I think I fold there and wait for a better opportunity... flop call isn't terrible, but the river shove is definitely a fold to me. He may be shoving QQ there, but AK is more possible as well as KQs or even KJs if hes as fishy as he seems. I dunno about a set but that would definitely be in his range of possibilities too. Maybe even KK, I wouldnt put it past 88 either. Fold, deep breath and move on.

Fold pre fold flop fold river

What would be the rationale to overbet this pot as the SB when our opponent check/calls flop and checks back turn? Is it that we think villain's range is likely capped to one pair and by overbetting we can bluff tons?

I'm legitimately curious because it's not the way I would approach this spot with stacks so deep.

folding flop is totally nuts.
I call pre.
Seems this river spot would be underbluffed.

+1

once we engaged ourself in that spot by calling pre (marginal call imho and defo not +EV in a vacuum vs V range regarding that massive sizing) that d be just stupid To fold tptk + bdnfd vs a cb

have to agree w/ the fact that this river spot d be mostly underbluffed => easy fold river

imho 167bb deep 1st hand, no need to get cute pre. i d call sometimes if I know V tendencies but mostly, i d fold pre

Call
You have precisely 17 seconds invested in this. Fold pre. Once you call go with it.

Thanks everyone,
I thought the call preflop is an easy call in position but apparently there's discussion.

I called on the river because of the weird line villain took. Not too proud about my decision.

Villain showes AK