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Final Table 27$ Saturday Eliminator (prog KO) Final Table 27$ Saturday Eliminator (prog KO)

08-30-2018 , 10:06 AM
Stats villain:
Player5 ( 19295414 ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 21, 3B: 8, AF: 2,1, Hands: 375

Can't find villain on pokerstars anymore so lost my specific notes, but I haven't seen him doing any remarkable or weird stuff.

Payout:
1. 6,2K (+bounties)
2. 4,4K
3. 3,1 K

What is your default play in this situation please?


[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $24.55 Buy-in (175,000/350,000 blinds, 35,000 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 3 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37936305

Hero (BTN): 5,687,350 (16.2 bb)
SB: 10,317,236 (29.5 bb)
BB: 19,295,414 (55.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 3 K
Hero raises to 735,000, SB calls 560,000, BB calls 385,000

Flop: (2,310,000) 9 K 9 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 350,000, SB calls 350,000, BB raises to 1,400,000
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08-30-2018 , 10:21 AM
I think folding this hand preflop is pretty reasonable at your stack depth + your bounty on the line. As played I think you can fold to BB's 3 bet.
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08-30-2018 , 04:34 PM
This is a clear jam pre for me. It's pretty close to the very bottom of an optimal shoving range at 16 BBs, but given the stack sizes, SB is in a really tough spot and will have to overfold, so it should be a slam dunk jam for us.

As played, I would check back the flop.

As played, I think we gotta call down. If he has 9x, he has it, but we're not deep enough to fold.
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08-30-2018 , 08:01 PM
Raising, shoving and folding all seem like viable options preflop, I don't think I would be too critical if you chose any one of the three. Folding might be a little nitty.

It kinda sucks to be you on the flop but since you need to make something happen (and there is at least some chance that you have the best hand) I suppose the play would be to go all in.
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09-01-2018 , 09:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by poloplaya1414
This is a clear jam pre for me. It's pretty close to the very bottom of an optimal shoving range at 16 BBs, but given the stack sizes, SB is in a really tough spot and will have to overfold, so it should be a slam dunk jam for us.

As played, I would check back the flop.

As played, I think we gotta call down. If he has 9x, he has it, but we're not deep enough to fold.
Might have not been clear, but this is a bounty structure so if anything our hero's shove is getting called down lighter + K3s isn't even a nash jam.
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09-01-2018 , 11:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by underdeveloped
Might have not been clear, but this is a bounty structure so if anything our hero's shove is getting called down lighter + K3s isn't even a nash jam.
If it’s not a Nash jam, it’s super close. I know it’s a Nash jam at 15 BBs. I don’t know the bounty amount, but it likely just offsets ICM.

In any cases the fact that SB can’t call our jam without committing his entire 29 BB stack is a huge advantage that means we should be comfortably able to shove much wider than what Nash usually says for 16 BBs
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09-01-2018 , 05:48 PM
folding pre

pretty easy x back for me, as played calling down
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09-01-2018 , 08:06 PM
I'm good with a shove pre for reasons mentioned above.

With that said, as played, I agree this is a check-back but OP only bet 15% pot (1BB min bet). It's not much different than a check would have been. Normally, it may have induced BB to raise perceived weakness with napkins but BB can't just ignore the fact that the SB flatted in between. Without closing the action, I'm probably just overfolding in this spot and wondering why I bet to begin with. You're usually either dominated by a 9 or playing to a likely chop. Also, in the case that your opponents have nothing, you can pick up some value on the turn when they bet their backdoor flush cards and bluffs or their smaller pairs than the K.
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09-03-2018 , 10:25 PM
easy fold pre, really bad open in this situation.
flop sizing is awful, it's the worst of everything -- too small to fold out any legitimate equity, yet allows an opponent to xr. plus btn will have a deficit of 9x here relative to BB.
xb flop.
AP we have to call the xr for this price and play a turn.
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09-06-2018 , 09:44 PM
fold pre

delay bet flop as played
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09-06-2018 , 11:18 PM
Either shove or fold pre we aren't deep enough to be messing around with such a weak suited king, shoving seems better since they're calling ranges should be pretty tight especially SB's.
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09-07-2018 , 01:35 AM
btw op didnt wrote bounties?
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09-10-2018 , 10:20 PM
Check back flop is pretty std.
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09-11-2018 , 01:16 PM
Thanks for your thougts. Forgot to post the bounties, my bad. My bounty was around 500$. Opponents' bounties were a bit higher, but irrelevant here.

I understand the idea of checking back. But with two opponents, shouldn't we charge Ax and gutshots a bit?

My reasoning on flop was the same as the analysis of HawkesDave. Given the flat of SB, villain who raises is in a pretty awful bluff spot.
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09-11-2018 , 09:35 PM
Shoving pre is unexploitable when we last in chips from an icm point of view (huge upside low downside), also people bounty hunt wide this deep into this tournament (if you have big bounty its close to ATC call for v's)
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09-12-2018 , 10:03 AM
Shoving pre is not exploitable, obviously. But are we really willing to shove a not Nash holding hoping for sb and bb to fold and knowing that we are getting called lighter because of the bnty dynamic? imho it is a pretty bad and high variance play. I d rather fold and keep my 16biggs for later plays. As played though and as said itt, the flop cbet is kind of bad as we are uselessly forcing ourselves to go with it if we get raised eve. Once we got raised, we dont beat much besides bluffs and semi bluffs (mainly gssd), therefore, the folding or gii decision is very V dependant.
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09-15-2018 , 02:26 AM
yeah i'm shoving pre also
as played check back flop
as played call it down
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