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Facing a donk Bet in a 3-Bet pot Facing a donk Bet in a 3-Bet pot

01-04-2019 , 03:17 PM
Live $300 1-Day tournament. We are in the middle stage and the blinds are are 600/1200/600 button blind. Villain bought in late and has been open raising few hands. He has 31BB and I have 45BB. He opens for 3.5 BB in MP and I have AQo in LP and I make it 12BB. He calls.

Flop comes 346r. He leads for 7BB leaving behind 20BB. It feels like an over pair. The pot is already 32BB. I assume this a fold? I have no fold equity. Should I 3-bet with this effective stack size or just call ?
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01-04-2019 , 07:57 PM
Why would you ever call? You have ace-high air vs. a tight villain who opened from middle position and then called your 3-bet. Is villain ever doing this with AJ or worse? The relatively small post-flop bet (7 BB into 27BB pot) might suggest a marginal made hand (maybe 88 or 99), or a monster that's trying to get some value from you, but either way you are way behind. The shove has a tiny amount of potential fold equity but only if villain is donk betting here with the very bottom of his range and even then he might feel pot committed having already put 19BB in the middle. You were right the first time -- it's a fold.
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01-05-2019 , 11:51 AM
Pretty easy fold. I'd size your 3 bet smaller too. Villain committed 40% of his stack preflop; that is an awkward size for you. Were you calling a 4 bet jam? I'd make it 9-10BB pre...Most Villains will literally never have anything other than a pair there; they are jamming big aces, and folding their weakest hands. Looks very much like a big pair trying to get one last call from AK/AQ.
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01-05-2019 , 03:24 PM
I was determined to call a 4-bet jam. It was a semi-turbo event from then on. Although when a tight player jams should I call with AQ?
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01-06-2019 , 07:14 PM
Call pre. Jam now.
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01-07-2019 , 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by JITxpert
Call pre. Jam now.
Yep
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01-07-2019 , 12:41 PM
Absolutely no way you can fold to V's ******ed action and sizing.

And his range is by no means just pairs or better. He for sure has some worse Ax combos, as well as pure air you're beating. Maybe not too many, but some. Even terrible V's know this flop improves the caller more than the 3bettor and will spaz here with air thinking it makes them look cool.

So whatever you do, don't fold.

As for preflop, what position were you in exactly? How many more players including the blinds left to act? Did they have squeeze-jam stacks? Because if yes, I like flatting to induce squeezes, and of course calling it off in that case. Although given the 3.5x sizing from V (another sign he's prob not the best player tbh I could get behind just 100% flatting pre.

Last edited by jl121; 01-07-2019 at 12:48 PM.
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01-07-2019 , 06:43 PM
Really? Well I guess I need more experience to be comfortable calling there.

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Originally Posted by jl121

As for preflop, what position were you in exactly? How many more players including the blinds left to act? Did they have squeeze-jam stacks? Because if yes, I like flatting to induce squeezes, and of course calling it off in that case. Although given the 3.5x sizing from V (another sign he's prob not the best player tbh I could get behind just 100% flatting pre.
He was UTG+1 and I was HJ. I don't remember now but yeah one of the blinds did have a squeeze jam stack.
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01-13-2019 , 09:11 AM
Hi guys,

I was looking for Turn and River donk bets in 3bet pots but cannot find them, any help?
I dont find as well Call 3bet on Turn and River in raised pots, any help?

Thanks a bunch
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01-14-2019 , 05:22 AM
imo calling here is horrible and the worst of three options

Jam or fold
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01-15-2019 , 03:03 PM
Wow...I rarely see such polar responses. "oldsilver" and "jl121" pretty adamant that a fold on the flop here is bad...but "KevinGChapman" and "3for3poker" think this is an easy fold.

I think the OP may have gotten his math wrong here. If V in fact started the hand with 31 BBs, then after the flop bet he will have 12 BBs remaining...not 20. This actually makes a big difference...as in the difference between being likely pot-committed and not.

If he has 12 BBs behind: I'm inclined to shove. We're about 3.1:1 hitting an A or Q, and getting about 2.4:1 from the pot. I think that discrepancy is made up for by the fact that he could still fold.

If he has 20 BBs: I'm more inclined to call and re-evaluate turn getting 5:1. Any A or Q makes our hand, but any K or J could shut V down and allow us to take the pot. He can comfortably c/f turn to a scare card leaving 20 BBs behind I think.
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01-15-2019 , 04:08 PM
Yeah, I got the stack size wrong. Can't remember now but thanks!
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01-15-2019 , 09:38 PM
3bet is too large. Make it smaller so you can 3bet/fold this. I think 3bet/call at 32 BBs is ambitious against someone who isn't opening wide. Flatting is fine too, it's close between 3bet and flatting.

On flop I think this is a very clear call. We're ahead of most bluffs, and have 6 outs to most of Villain's value range. I doubt he has a set. If he's flatting 3bets with a 31 BB stack OOP with 33/44/66, we're printing money off of him even if we pay off a bet here so I'm not worried about that.

Jamming makes no sense to me. We're definitely not ahead of his range.
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01-15-2019 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by poloplaya1414
On flop I think this is a very clear call. We're ahead of most bluffs, and have 6 outs to most of Villain's value range.
Curious to know what you think villain's range is here. He's described as tight, he opens to 3.5BB from MP, then he calls hero's 12BB three-bet. What hand worse than AQo is in villain's range? Maybe KQss? AJss? Not sure villain calls 12BB out of position with either, so what?
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01-16-2019 , 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by poloplaya1414
I doubt he has a set.
then jam
because his lead is asking 'do you have a large pp'
and it's +EV to answer 'yes' to that question and move on to the next hand

flatting here is repping AJ+
(conversely you can flat the lead with JJ+ and bet the river for value when it bricks)
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