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Old 05-19-2017, 07:50 PM   #1
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facing aggressivity twice from BB cheapleader

So its late in a winamax 100 euros 8max.
Villain has good results according to his scope.
We are both deep and bubble is approaching. Villain is not 3 betting a lot (5% on a 100 hand sample)

Hand 1
i think we have to fold OTT vs a solid villain? The spr is bad to go broke..

    Winamax, $90 Buy-in (3,000/6,000 blinds, 800 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37729510

    MP2: 318,904 (53.2 bb)
    Hero (MP3): 299,820 (50 bb)
    CO: 52,351 (8.7 bb)
    BTN: 68,911 (11.5 bb)
    SB: 103,825 (17.3 bb)
    BB: 264,682 (44.1 bb)
    UTG+2: 136,780 (22.8 bb)
    MP1: 308,290 (51.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K A
    3 folds, Hero raises to 13,200, 3 folds, BB calls 7,200

    Flop: (35,800) A 5 8 (2 players)
    Hero bets 13,604, BB raises to 36,655, Hero calls 23,051

    Turn: (109,110) 9 (2 players)
    BB bets 62,255, Hero folds

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    Hand2
    I would normally fold pre bc i dont have the odds to setmine. Due to previous action i elected to call for several reasons, mainly influenced by hand 1. Seems weak to fold each time vs his agressivity but my play seems atrocious.
    Due to historic, would u just fold pre or when?


      Winamax, $90 Buy-in (4,000/8,000 blinds, 1,000 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37729617

      Hero (MP2): 391,445 (48.9 bb)
      CO: 67,502 (8.4 bb)
      SB: 37,705 (4.7 bb)
      BB: 369,959 (46.2 bb)
      UTG: 120,180 (15 bb)
      MP1: 249,468 (31.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 2 2
      2 folds, Hero raises to 17,600, 2 folds, BB raises to 57,655, Hero calls 40,055

      Flop: (125,310) 6 6 T (2 players)
      BB bets 55,555, Hero calls 55,555

      Turn: (236,420) 4 (2 players)
      BB bets 92,222, Hero calls 92,222

      River: (420,864) 3 (2 players)
      BB bets 163,527 and is all-in, Hero calls 163,527

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      Old 05-19-2017, 11:48 PM   #2
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      Re: facing aggressivity twice from BB cheapleader

      You can't be serious
      Ill give my 2c instead of pure trolling tho. Hand 1 just 4b and call it off
      As played you can't fold turn its a massive leak

      Last edited by lolposting2016; 05-19-2017 at 11:50 PM. Reason: (Hand 1)
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      Old 05-20-2017, 04:10 AM   #3
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      Re: facing aggressivity twice from BB cheapleader

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      You can't be serious
      Ill give my 2c instead of pure trolling tho. Hand 1 just 4b and call it off
      As played you can't fold turn its a massive leak

      unfortunatly i m not trolling.

      H1 without info and knowing is a very good reg he ll never take this line with Ax IMO. He has 2 pairs, a set or a straight and sometimes somes FD. With this sizing he is just preparing to go all in river.

      I think i m too deep to stack off with TPTK. Obv i could 4bet pre but he flatted.

      I would not play H2 and post it if H1 didnt occur the previous orbit.
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      Old 05-20-2017, 07:21 AM   #4
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      Re: facing aggressivity twice from BB cheapleader

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      Obv i could 4bet pre but he flatted.
      ??? He meant 3b otf go with it.
      Calling turn and playing some rivers H1.
      H2 I'm pretty sure you know you done f'd up.
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      Old 05-20-2017, 11:44 AM   #5
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      Re: facing aggressivity twice from BB cheapleader

      Why would we 3b the flop in hand 1. Just so he folds his bluffs?
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      Old 05-20-2017, 12:26 PM   #6
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      Re: facing aggressivity twice from BB cheapleader

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      Why would we 3b the flop in hand 1. Just so he folds his bluffs?
      Yeh, just call the flop in hand 1, but gii eventually. Board is dry. No point in 3 betting.
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      Old 05-20-2017, 06:05 PM   #7
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      3b otf is pretty dumb
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      Old 05-20-2017, 06:06 PM   #8
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      And In b4 didn't wanna Gii pre because the rest of the field was pretty soft
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      Old 05-20-2017, 07:19 PM   #9
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      Re: facing aggressivity twice from BB cheapleader

      so are you high or what
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      Old 05-20-2017, 09:35 PM   #10
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      Re: facing aggressivity twice from BB cheapleader

      My bad, thought H1 was single raised pot pre.
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      Old 05-20-2017, 10:06 PM   #11
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      So I just don't get how you wanna call down w 22 in hand 2 but fold ott in hand 1
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      Old 05-21-2017, 12:59 AM   #12
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      Re: facing aggressivity twice from BB cheapleader

      Maybe a satire of players on Frenchy site who won't fold if they think they have been bluffed.
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      Old 05-22-2017, 09:34 AM   #13
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      I would not play H2 and post it if H1 didnt occur the previous orbit.
      Did you try to adjust your entire stratgy because of one hand you just played? And a hand that didnt even go to showdown! That's highly not tecommended
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      Old 05-22-2017, 05:44 PM   #14
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      Re: facing aggressivity twice from BB cheapleader

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      I would not play H2 and post it if H1 didnt occur the previous orbit.
      Do you think villain is less or more likely to bluff you soon after he's shown aggression?
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      Old 05-23-2017, 04:42 PM   #15
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      Re: facing aggressivity twice from BB cheapleader

      Thank you for your comments.

      H1 : first i d happily 4bet pre..OTF indeed i call to keep his bluffs. However by doing this we let him realise his equity, FD, 67,...So i dont know what is the best.
      For people saying calling OTF, do you all shove this turn?

      H2 : thanks to johnyarmless and Soepgroente for your helpful comments. Best thing to do is to fold vs his 3 bet i guess. But i m quite sure good regs can implement an exploitative strategy (such a tendancy to fold vs agression) after a few hands
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      Old 05-31-2017, 01:22 AM   #16
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      Re: facing aggressivity twice from BB cheapleader

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      so are you high or what
      oh cmon, plenty worse has been posted here

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      3b otf is pretty dumb
      disagree, too many players will make this small xr to exploit underdefense of Hero + population tendency not to 3b the flop, so it's good imo to apply pressure and here we have tptk lacking bdfd on somewhat coordinated board, it's good hand selection.

      h1 gotta call turn.
      h2 fold turn against tight stats in BB, OP. you're leveling yourself.
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      Old 05-31-2017, 08:52 AM   #17
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      Re: facing aggressivity twice from BB cheapleader

      H1: I don't mind GII OTF after the re raise.

      H2: like someone said, it sounds like you levelled yourself vs this player. Also, even though it is only 6 handed you'll tend to notice that they raised you out of the BB. 9 handed with a MP open this usually is a strong hand, 6 handed they can sometimes be FOS, but you have to be aware that it could also signify a monster hand. If you don't hit your 2 just fold.
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      Old 05-31-2017, 09:50 AM   #18
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      Re: facing aggressivity twice from BB cheapleader

      I think OP could have provided more info on villain even on 100 hands sample.
      I think these hands aren't represented well and questions you ask sound vague and incompetently.

      In absense of other info it seems assumptive to associate good results w/ postflop stubbornness and overwhelming AF (even if ones have merit from villain's pov) what makes at least 2 potential reasons to 3bet flop irrelevant in specific spot (in random french mtt).

      Thus it looks like std flop b/c and our b/3b range should be smth like some good Axdd+ and A8+ due to specifics of texture.

      OTT even nowadays you still can see a variety of strats from regs which apply different turn sizings based on different assumptions in similar spots (all of them can be legit) so not much can be said in vacuum -- you can try to extend his preflop 3bet tightness on tiny sample and good results to his postflop neatness but that's assumptive (once again).

      Some thoughts -- this is bad turn card for your range, some of his potential draws got there, some got incentive to check turn however he has nut ratio advantage ott (in majority of cases).
      You can improve your assumptions if you have any ideas how he might perceive you.
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      Old 05-31-2017, 06:34 PM   #19
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      Re: facing aggressivity twice from BB cheapleader

      Hand 1 honestly I play it the same vs standard nits I think. Sucks to be exploitable but sucks more to get it in dead.

      Hand 2 is a horrible punt and the flaws in your logic are pretty huge. It's like level 1 fish logic to think "this **** 3bets me again I'M GOING TO SHOW HIM... by calling a huge 3bet with deuces" (without odds to setmine and then stationing down on any non-AK board because I put him on ace king or a random bluff). Just fold everywhere. If you want to take a stand do it by 4betting (select a better hand) or by flatting a hand that makes sense in a situation where it makes sense.

      It's a pretty rare case when I see a hand and my advice would literally be:

      Fold pre

      As played, fold flop

      As played, fold turn

      As played, fold river
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      Old 06-02-2017, 12:19 AM   #20
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      Re: facing aggressivity twice from BB cheapleader

      I wouldn't fold turn in hand one, he can have f draws and worse aces and we still have outs vs 2p. We opening in HJ so our percieved range should appear wide.

      Hand 2: meh fold pre i guess
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      Old 06-02-2017, 11:29 AM   #21
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      so are you high or what
      More examples of contentless trolls itt
      At least add to the conversation if your gonna blast off on fools
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      Old 06-02-2017, 11:40 AM   #22
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      1st hand I think you gotta make your decision on the turn and either go call and call most brick river or just fold turn like you did. Think either is fine.

      2nd hand. Very easy fold preflop. Big blind is extremely incentivized to just flat pre so his 3 bet is very polarizing. Fold flop too...
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      Old 06-03-2017, 09:29 AM   #23
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      Re: facing aggressivity twice from BB cheapleader

      Aggressivity?
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      Old 06-04-2017, 05:54 AM   #24
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      Aggressivity?
      yeah, this so
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