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Easy Fold? Easy Fold?

04-19-2019 , 09:57 AM
Online 36 Left out of 540. 2,600,000 chips in play total. Top 7 plus is the initial goal.

Hero current chip leader with 143,000. Villian has 64,000 not many reads but was one of the first to register.

Blinds are 2,000/4,000 400

Hand:
Folded to the V in CO who raises to 8,500.
Fold, Fold. Hero in the BB with K10cc Calls.

Flop 9c8s7d

Hero bets 10k. V goes all in for remaining stack 55,500.

Easy fold? How would someone better than me play this hand/situation? Is this a horrible spot to gamble? Trying to learn
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04-19-2019 , 10:17 AM
I'd check raise/check shove the flop. This allows your opponent to bluff, as well as block bet hands that have you beat and fold to your shove as well. Just imagine the villian has like A8o and you jam over here, it's a tough call if your hand is face up let alone face down.... with your donk bet the villian can't cbet air, can't bet fold a better hand and can basically just play perfectly to your bet.

I don't like the preflop call with these stack sizes and basically no read. I bet a lot of people here would call though and this isn't the issue, the issue is the donk bet.
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04-19-2019 , 10:39 AM
I'm no pro or anything but why are you donking out here? This smashes your range in the BB I would have check called 1 street then if a club turns or a straight then your calling off with the SPR.

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04-19-2019 , 11:39 AM
I don't think we want to donkbet anything. Check-shove looks decent. Anyway he's checking back the flop a lot and we get to lead most turns after that.

As played call looks breakeven, so whatever.
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04-19-2019 , 01:07 PM
Check the flop and shove if villain c-bets. Don't think we can fold as played.
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04-19-2019 , 01:37 PM
I think your lead out on Flop is horrible into a pot that is around 18k.
Seems like a defensive bet looking for a draw or a cheap scoop CBet.

The V got to at least 36 of 540 deep so I am going to assume V has some skills.

If you are calling with hands like K10 what kind of flops are you looking for exactly. when K10 actually hits up&down w/ a back door flush draw and two overs then that is one of the better flops you could hope for.

I think as the way you played it you have to call and play out the coin flip with fingers crossed.
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04-19-2019 , 02:58 PM
Thanks yea the donk bet was bad. I debated each decision, was going to fold pre. but i read on the forums how people fold to wide on the BB. Yea the donk bet in hindsight was pretty poor but it was just stupid all around. The site had just crashed for 15 minutes prior so i was pretty tilted worried they were gonna cancel tournament.
My thinking was if i checked to him he'd shove as a bluff and then I'd be put in a tough spot. Instead i was in the same spot with more invested.

He turned over 99

Turn 6 for the str8
river 8 for the house.

All good. I guess the play is to fold pre? Had i played the hand on the flop differently it mighta been the same result..
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04-19-2019 , 08:30 PM
Decent instincts on the donk bet, but you might as well just donk all-in if you're going that route.

You should never be folding this hand OTF. It's either a donk all-in (very rarely) or a x/shove.

Folding preflop would be the worst mistake possible.

Last edited by EggsMcBluffin; 04-19-2019 at 08:44 PM.
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04-20-2019 , 03:49 AM
Problem with donking less than all in is you invited your opponent to put in the last bet. The idea that he would have open ripped when x to is fanciful.

Engineer pots so you are the one putting in the last bet with a draw to capture any fold equity you may have (most draws are overrated without FE)
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04-22-2019 , 12:01 PM
Thanks for the critiques and advice. Much appreciated!
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04-22-2019 , 12:48 PM
Never, ever folding pre. Never folding flop. I think donk-shoving is kinda amateurish and screams draw. I also like c/decide. V's action on the flop really doesn't change our equity in the hand since I wouldn't consider folding.
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04-27-2019 , 03:17 AM
When v starts the hand w 16bb I really like a x/jam otf, as long as we sometimes do this with the top part of our value range its a great spot
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04-27-2019 , 03:51 AM
In general you want to lead flops which are not good for opponent´s range, like 356, 245 etc. Here Villain likely has every combo of TJ, so board does not favor you significantly. 33% bet sizing usually works fine putting pressure on two overcards.

If stacks were shallower, donkshove would not be terrible. It ensures we collect all of our raw and fold equity.

I would check-shove this flop and as played, I wouldn´t call shove after leading.
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04-27-2019 , 09:03 PM
id like to play it somewhat slow here, cause of his rather small stack.

if he had twice as much, checkripping it and having sets, 2pairs and monster draws in our range can make him fold quite a lot.

with these stacksizes he is just gonna call TT+ always, even AT or 9T and i think he should cause he has the odds.

donking here wouldnt be a move that is in line with playing smallball here.

id say ur play is quite gambly. as played you prob have the correct odds to call, i think it depends a little on if ur K is live.
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04-30-2019 , 02:10 AM
Perfect check-raise all in situation IMO...
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05-03-2019 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by snowmanvil
Thanks yea the donk bet was bad. I debated each decision, was going to fold pre. but i read on the forums how people fold to wide on the BB. Yea the donk bet in hindsight was pretty poor but it was just stupid all around. The site had just crashed for 15 minutes prior so i was pretty tilted worried they were gonna cancel tournament.
My thinking was if i checked to him he'd shove as a bluff and then I'd be put in a tough spot. Instead i was in the same spot with more invested.

He turned over 99

Turn 6 for the str8
river 8 for the house.

All good. I guess the play is to fold pre? Had i played the hand on the flop differently it mighta been the same result..
Don't know if this is a level OP, but don't you dare folding pre in that precise spot vs a 2.125 raise. You will be flaming EV on the long run
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