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Do I just fold here? Do I just fold here?

07-28-2021 , 04:37 AM
Hi everyone. This is my first post so apologies if the way I type the hand out isn't perfect.
$88 buy in 'The 88" on partypoker. I don't know the exacts but there were around 35 players left from a field of 90ish.
Villain starting stack 73bb
Hero starting stack 83bb
Big blind start stack 33bb
Villain UTG+1 raises 2.2bb
Hero calls from cut off
Big blind calls
Flop 985 two diamonds
Villain bets 3.9bb
Hero call
BB folds
Turn 10c
Villain bets 8.5bb
Hero raise 20bb
Villain raises ALL IN

Forgot to mention.. we are 9 handed
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07-28-2021 , 04:40 AM
As well as knowing whether I should just fold or not here I'd like to know how many mistakes I made exactly in the hand? Should I be 3betting pre? Should I be raising flop? Should I be flatting turn?
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07-28-2021 , 09:15 AM
would help if we knew what your hand was...

but raising the turn small and folding to a jam probably isn't the right line regardless of your hand.
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07-28-2021 , 12:28 PM
I'd say bet/fold is probably better than check/call, since you seem to have no cards.
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07-28-2021 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ledn
would help if we knew what your hand was...

but raising the turn small and folding to a jam probably isn't the right line regardless of your hand.
I'm so dumb.
I had 99 sir. Flopped top set
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07-28-2021 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 2pairsof2s
I'd say bet/fold is probably better than check/call, since you seem to have no cards.
99 was my hand. Sorry. I'm the worst
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07-28-2021 , 04:49 PM
Ok ... never folding there, even though QJ is a strong possibility for V. Too many draws, over pairs and spazzes in V's range.
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07-28-2021 , 06:53 PM
Hero folds are fun to watch on TV in high roller tourneys, but I don't think this type of fold is correct even if this one time would have been correct. Don't think like you have to go 1 for 1 in every spot, think about how many times you get top-4 in a 35 person tourney with 50 bigs vs how many times you get top-4 in the 34 person tourney with 160 bigs.

Three nines is way too strong of a hand for me to fold on this board even knowing sometimes I'm bad, because there's several other hands in his range including some of which we dominate. The only hand we are truly dead against is three tens which he could certainly have based on the line. 76 and QJ are definitely both in the range but we still have decent redraw equity against that. A-10 (tptk) and A-J combo with flush draw are both in the range which we are ahead of, KQ and KJ flush draws picking up the gutter could be a semi bluff steal with about the same equity, also multiple other lower combo open end straight flush draws are possible which we can fade many rivers, but three sixes and three fives are dead, and badly played hands like AA might even be in the range possibly.

It's ok to just close your eyes and call. Sucks if you steam off 75 bigs but the payoff is disproportionately good. Even if you lose you can grind the remaining 10 bigs back into a medium stack for a cash. Even if you don't, it's still just 1 buy-in. Smash these spots, don't bother hero folding

Last edited by pjfoster13; 07-28-2021 at 06:58 PM.
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07-28-2021 , 08:28 PM
Yeah what he said. Sometimes villain will have it and you will feel like a dunce but you should probably still call.
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07-28-2021 , 11:52 PM
I would raise the flop on the wet board.
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07-30-2021 , 04:55 PM
raise flop, never fold
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07-31-2021 , 01:03 AM
I think I lean slightly towards calling flop, but it's close and I think both call or raise are reasonable. We're multi-way, villain has the range advantage and we probably shouldn't be betting all that often in a spot where BB can occasionally have some strong hands as well (including 76, which we may not have calling a UTG open) If the flop was something T95 or J95 I'd be way more inclined to raise, but with top set I'm fine with calling with the idea of raising scary turns.

As played I like the turn raise, TT/QJs are things for sure (and maybe 76s from loose UTG+1 openers) but villain also has a lot of QQ/KK/AA plus diamond draws that we're ahead of and may continue or even jam. The T also brings a lot of stuff like JT/QT/KT/AT that might call a raise as well, although some of those Tx might check turn.

I think as played we have to call off - at most villain has 11 combos of value hands we lose to. If villain ever bluffs or overplays worse hands (like worse sets or AA/KK) a fraction of the time, it's a good call. We are going to get shown TT or QJ a lot here, but not enough to justify folding.
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07-31-2021 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by jpgiro
If the flop was something T95 or J95 I'd be way more inclined to raise, but with top set I'm fine with calling with the idea of raising scary turns.
I do not understand. You have 99 on 985 2-flush. Why would you raise scary turns and not brick turns? If a 3-flush, a 7 or a 6 hits, then I would probably flat call. However, I would raise on an offsuit deuce or whatever with 2nd nuts. Is that wrong? Is it GTO to raise or call based on what you would do with your range?
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08-01-2021 , 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by deuceblocker
I do not understand. You have 99 on 985 2-flush. Why would you raise scary turns and not brick turns? If a 3-flush, a 7 or a 6 hits, then I would probably flat call. However, I would raise on an offsuit deuce or whatever with 2nd nuts. Is that wrong? Is it GTO to raise or call based on what you would do with your range?
On brick turns, we're going to have the best hand the vast majority of the time and we're going to be incentivized to keep villain's bluffs in range. Villain's strongest hands, like overpairs and sets, are likely going to bet anyway so there's no reason to raise and give villain an opportunity to hero fold.

As far as turns that connect the board more (as an aside I don't think 6 or 7 is that relevant here as UTG+1 really doesn't have much 6x or 7x in their range to begin), the big thing is that those turns will often improve our opponent's hand to something that has significant equity. I don't necessarily want to simply flat call and allow them to realize that equity on the river.
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08-01-2021 , 12:33 AM
He might hero fold, but we are deep enough that we want to build the pot. I would raise a blank turn to get and extra bet in and try to get as much as possible in OTR. You are want to charge draws on wet board, and your opponent does not know for sure your raise is not a draw.
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08-04-2021 , 05:51 PM
This is a hand that definitely wants to raise the flop. You want to clear out the bb who’s range covers that board and you want to give the openraiser the opportunity to get more chips in before a turn comes that’ll shift the entire dynamic.
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