Can we please stop calling this guy "dnegs" like he wants it's like George Costanza wanting to be called "T-bone"

Oh I had the board wrong didn’t know it was monotone my b that changes things obv I ran it at like 4 in the morning after playing live cash pardon me

i mean hes been called that for seemingly forever by everyone soooo

who's everyone?

im gunna wager everyone but you

I just write Dnegs because it is shorter, and that is his screen name. I was at his table in one of these and he was Dnegs with a Canadian flag. A lot of players are referred to by their screen names.

Wow. This was eye opening for me. Open jamming the flop loses 2BB in ev. My instincts were along the lines of 'we flopped a pair, we need to go with it'.

PIO thinks this is just terrible.

We have all been in these spots where we are short stacked, either surviving a bubble, or losing a confrontation vs a slight bigger stack (and yes, sometimes just getting blinded down).

Even if we check, and Villain jams, this is essentially 0 chip ev to call, while JT is plus ev. By the way, DN had T9s, not T8.

If Villain down bets to 20%, this is still just a call, not a jam. Even on a blank turn, we check and fold to a jam.

I need to look at these spots more carefully.

I reran the sim, this time 2 tone, and now we have an easy check call, even if Villain shoves. I guess the monotone flop costs our hand so much equity that we just need that much a stronger hand to call...

Say he rivers trips to win, is this hand even posted

Probably not. But, I for one, learned something from it. Who cares about the results?

Yeh, looking at it more, I agree the push is a bad play and sort of old school style. For one thing, we shouldn't really be gambling our remaining 7xBB at cEV even. Even though the bubble just burst, so it will be hard to steal, and we can't move up much in payouts soon, it is better to preserve the stack.

Then there is the issue that the hands we get to fold mostly do not have the equity to call if our hand was face up.

Also, if we check the raiser something will check back, and sometimes we can improve or whatever.

If it was against a button raise or a mid position raise from a big stack abusing the bubble, then our equity would be so good that pushing would probably be best. However, a shortish stack raising UTG on the direct bubble should have a strong range.