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11-16-2018 , 05:34 AM
This took place when my HUD was acting up. Sorry for improper format.

Hand takes place in a $109 vs a complete sicko.

Blinds 50/100/10

Hero: 50K effective

Villain: 55K effective

———-Preflop————

Villain on CO opens to 250
Hero 3Bets to 800 from BB with KTdd
Villain calls

————Flop———— (Pot: 1740)
AhQd9s

Hero checks
Villain bets 725
Hero raises to 2500
Villain calls

————Turn———— (Pot: 6740)
Js

Hero bets 5300
Villain calls

————River———— (Pot: 17340)
9d
Hero bets 10100
Villain goes all in (over 30000 to call)
Hero?

Spoiler:
Hero calls, villain shows AcAs
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11-16-2018 , 05:57 AM
Well is such a cooler, there is no big bluffs on that river play fror villian , AAx , QQx , JJx, you played it ok..
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11-16-2018 , 07:44 AM
3b is so bad. As is flop c/r. Not sure you played any street right except turn I guess but sizing is bad.
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11-16-2018 , 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by wait
3b is so bad. As is flop c/r. Not sure you played any street right except turn I guess but sizing is bad.
KTs makes a fine 3bet bluff pf. You should size up though. Out of position with massive stack I would 3bet at least 5x pfr

Once you 3bet, I think this is a good flop to cbet - hits your range a bit harder than villain's

River is very tough obs. Villain has JT combos as a bluff, but some of those might be folding pre to 3bet and might fold turn also. In all I dont think villain has many bluffs here, so folding is better imo
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11-16-2018 , 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Aleksandar332
Well is such a cooler, there is no big bluffs on that river play fror villian , AAx , QQx , JJx, you played it ok..
If villain has few bluffs, we should be more inclined to fold no?
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11-16-2018 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Bonzo
KTs makes a fine 3bet bluff pf. You should size up though. Out of position with massive stack I would 3bet at least 5x pfr

Once you 3bet, I think this is a good flop to cbet - hits your range a bit harder than villain's

River is very tough obs. Villain has JT combos as a bluff, but some of those might be folding pre to 3bet and might fold turn also. In all I dont think villain has many bluffs here, so folding is better imo
I usually CBet 75% pot here, but I’ll occasionally mix in a c/r to keep opponents guessing. Thanks for the input, it was just really difficult to lay down if you ask me. Not many combos of A9s left, and I assumed he was 4betting QQ and AA pre. Just a crying call.
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11-16-2018 , 01:17 PM
Fold river. Rest fine. River is a xc/bf spot for me.
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11-16-2018 , 03:00 PM
You identify villain as "complete sicko" but then choose to 3bet pop and c/r flop with gut shot. Surely there are going to be better spots than this in a 109?
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11-16-2018 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Bonzo
KTs makes a fine 3bet bluff pf.

hint

its not a bluff

hand is pretty terrible though, butchered pre and flop pretty hard.
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11-16-2018 , 05:12 PM
is a sicko someone with really good results, or someone who plays very tough/LAG or something, or both?

3b sizing should be at least 4x pre when 1000bbs deep. I would probably be flatting KTs but I have no clue what 3b range should look like this deep.

Other than that you seem to be getting ragged on for taking an unusual line. I don't myself see a major problem with it.
I do think it might be better to XC river in a vacuum, I'd imagine Villain will put out some kind of vbet himself with AQ/AJ, and you might induce some kind of blow-you-off-your-AK aggression with AT/QT/AXss/QXss.
It's just an unusual spot very deep where ranges are quite narrowed and don't think you lose a lot with XC relative to bet where V should be vbetting some stuff you beat.

AP otr, I guess sigh fold, we do have QQ and 99 in our range and it's hard to see V going nuts against a super strong looking line. It's weird though bc he doesn't rep a lot, I'm assuming he's not going for value with <QQ, and personally I'd just 4b QQ (and AA) when this deep pre.

Oh btw kudos for manually writing a hand history in a nice legible format.

Last edited by RalphWaldoEmerson; 11-16-2018 at 05:18 PM.
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11-16-2018 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Bonzo
If villain has few bluffs, we should be more inclined to fold no?
exactly , and also there is no alot of players at this level that they gonna bluff with reraise river on this board 90%++ river raise like this one on this stages are no bluff
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11-16-2018 , 07:02 PM
I haven't ever looked at KTs for 500BB but I think at 100B you want to occasionally 3b KTs pre so while it's probably not good, it's not insane either. Agree sizing is an issue.

Flop is ok, we are going to have 99/QQ/AQ/A9 we may want to x/r for value and will need some bluffs so picking gutshots with backdoor fd should be pretty good. We should be willing to barrel if we take that line and you can argue that it really isn't necessary to do so this early in a tournament. If you want to argue we play our whole flop range as a x/c that's fine too.

On river I like either checking or betting small. We are really trying to get called by Ax here as I'm not sure villain has that much naked 9x that led flop/check call turn, and it's conceivable some Ax just folds river.

As played I think we have to fold, as noted, we should 99 and QQ for sure here, maybe occasionally AA and once in a blue moon A9s or J9s (although J9s should probably never x/r).
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11-16-2018 , 07:02 PM
He's a complete sicko so I'm reluctant to make assumptions, but hes probably aware that every Tom, Dick and Harry has a pretty robust checking range on AQx in a 3bet pot, he'd probably expect lesser players to check little or no air. Moreover his marginal pairs require, or can expect to get, little protection by betting.

For that reason I don't think he will be stabbing flop recklessly enough for you to be able to merrily check raise for creativity sake.
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11-17-2018 , 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by daviid
hint

its not a bluff

hand is pretty terrible though, butchered pre and flop pretty hard.
We are going to fold to a 4bet right? So its a 3bet bluff
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11-17-2018 , 06:02 AM
1100 pre, 800 is too small but the 3! is fine if you feel inclined and KTs is a fun hand to get busy with
Cbet flop imo.CR line makes no sense to me. What does V fold to a CR that he doesn’t fold to a small lead (which achieves the same thing with less risk)
Turn is standard obv
River also standard bf, although 9 repeat does put some bluffs in V range if he’s somehow bricked everything and doesn’t block any AK AQ combos
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11-17-2018 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Bonzo
We are going to fold to a 4bet right? So its a 3bet bluff


if you have such a merged 3betting range in that spot, KTs is certainly going to be ahead of an lp opening range. therefore it is a 3bet for value even if you intend to 3bet/fold it. it is of course very reasonable to fold the bottom of your (3betting) range in spots where your opponent puts in more bets and narrows his range down significantly.

that being said, id flat pre.
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11-17-2018 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Bonzo
We are going to fold to a 4bet right? So its a 3bet bluff
Are we? 500bb deep
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11-21-2018 , 01:08 AM
Playing more PLO will stop you from leading on the river when the board pairs, even in a NLH tournament.
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