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Deep on day 1 - 0 Huge spew? Deep on day 1 - 0 Huge spew?

06-19-2017 , 12:42 PM
25 left. Top 14 advance to day 2 and get paid $400

Blinds 2.5k-5k 500a

Hero (220k) BB - late twenties white guy. Been at this table for 90min and hasn't got out of line. Might have a spewy/aggro reputation to a few people on the table but really have no other history with main villain. Ran my 50k stack to 110K reshoving and getting it through and then doubled with AA to AK.

V1 (260k) UTG+1 - early 30s Asian male. Playing TAG, might be a reg. Has been a top 2 or 3 stack since I sat but hasn't been opening very aggressively at all.

V2 (130K) MP - Passive 40s white guy. Not that important to the hand


8 handed

V1 opens UTG +1 to 10.5k
V2 calls
Hero flats in BB with Ks8s

Flop
Kd9s7h
(Pot 35k)


Hero checks, V1 leads 25k, V2 folds, Hero calls

Turn
Kd9s7h 4s
(Pot 85k)

V1 leads 38k

Hero shoves for like 150k more.
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06-19-2017 , 01:09 PM
Just flat turn. What are you trying to accomplish by jamming?
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06-19-2017 , 01:38 PM
If you were gonna jam the turn, why not just check-raise the flop? the way the betting went you cant possibly know (or guess) if the jam folds him out....
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06-19-2017 , 07:27 PM
Imo it was probably spewy for a multitude of reasons.

pre. you're starting w 44bb. You should respect early position raises. There's a lot of eliminations left before money. K8s oop is a fold vs tags and a fold or 3bf vs lags. if you wanna leave yourself in a bad spot, calling w the king blocker oop is certainly a recipe for one.

flop. you're wandering in check call mode, which is best as played. you have a top pair bluff catcher and some backdoor equity.

turn there was an established price to realize your equity, 38k that was reasonable, probably better than you could've hoped for. you had a hand that effectively only beat bluffs at that point, and your chance to improve wasn't enough to risk your life on with one street left. it wasn't a good semibluff.

stage and stacks. it's nonsensical to put your life at risk w enough stack to have some options left.

pretty much dislike it all w the exception of the cc on the flop. you should never go broke here.
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06-19-2017 , 07:32 PM
My main thought process before the shove was that I can put all his 1 pair hands in a horrible spot to call off their tourney life. Also, I can have all two pairs and he really doesnt have (m)any.

In retrospect I guess he doesn't have all that many hands that I want/need to fold out. But I also dont think I get another chip out of the hands that I'm already beating and its pretty cool to fold out kj kq and AK here.
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06-19-2017 , 08:33 PM
Just flat turn again, evaluate unimproved vs a bet and prolly do some leading on 8x and spades.
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06-21-2017 , 01:26 PM
Yea, big spew.

The hands you are trying to fold out (KQ/KJ/K10) are not going to 3 barrel. He'll probably check river if you call again and you could still jam a near-pot-size bet if the spade doesn't hit which would put him in a very difficult position.

And with pre plus two streets he could have you crushed betting that strong (AK/AA/set). I would definitely peel another card here - fold if he bets river and non-spade... call off if spade hits ... jam some of the scary non-spades (6/8/10 seem like the best candidates) if he checks.
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06-21-2017 , 04:26 PM
I'm scratching my head why we would want to use a hand that has significant equity, like a pair+second nut flush draw, as a bluff. We have some pretty decent showdown value. We have better hands we can use as bluffs to balance our sets and two pair hands that we might elect to raise turn with.
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06-21-2017 , 06:50 PM
Pretty much knew it was a massive spew before I posted it but thanks for confirming it

My in-game thought process totally missed the fact that there are not many of his hands that I want to fold out here because I have top pair too.

I think generally people way over fold in an attempt to make day two/cash, especially in this structure where the blinds roll back to 2k/4k on day two. Moving forward it sounds like the spades that make combo draws and maybe some 7sXs are much better bluff combos for obvious reasons.

Results: villain tanked for literally 4 minutes before calling with AsAc
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06-24-2017 , 10:49 AM
Results: villain tanked for literally 4 minutes before calling with AsAc



Yeah he didn't like the As being in his hand.

You often fold out KQ KJ KT, have flush+repeat equity against better and will occasionally find spots where V has found a multi and calls off in horrible shape.

Its not as awful as people are making out. Fold equity is still a thing. Just hit one of your outs next time.
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06-24-2017 , 11:48 PM
If you don't know if you're betting or raising for value or for a bluff, it's usually a good idea not to do it.
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