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08-20-2019 , 09:54 AM
Hi all,

We are 3 handed in a live £50 tourney. Blinds are 4000/8000 no ante.

Chip counts;

BTN - Hero on 420k
SB - on 98k
BB - on 300k

Dealt A2 OTB. I raise to 20k. SB shoves for 98K. Hero?

Hero has been aggressive due to being a comfortable chip leader since we were 6 handed. SB has been on the tighter side all FT but we just lost the 4th player and I am not sure if he is widening his pushing range against my BTN opens now we are 3 handed and he is short.

Do you make the call here?

78k to win 126K and go in to heads up 520 vs 320....
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08-20-2019 , 10:12 AM
You are not beating anything here. Not flipping vs pairs and behind any ax he shoves. With the stack sizes, I probably fold and glad my raise was not larger and pot committed me. Your read that sub is tight should allow you to find better spots later. ICM of prize money should be factored in as well but you did not mention payjumps.

Also, if you lose the hand you are all about even in chips.
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08-20-2019 , 10:34 AM
Do you not think he may be opening up his pushing range with KQ,KJ, QJs to make this a close call/fold? Along with the dead money in the pot.
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08-20-2019 , 03:52 PM
Yes I do, but he is more likely to have combos like a-3 - ak, 22-aa, all of which you are a substantial underdog. 20 combos you are behind, 3 a rags are probable chops and the 3 you named you are ahead of. I would rather push a2 than call off with it.


What were the prizes for 1-3?
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08-20-2019 , 03:56 PM
Can call 78K, after 20K invested, and if lose you are still chip leader?

100% of the time I am calling here.

Even if you call and lose, it will slow both of their 3betting range later knowing that you are capable of calling.

I snap, too. Don't even think about it.
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08-20-2019 , 04:42 PM
As played, I probably fold as I would rather give the tight small blind a small pot than a big one with this hand, Especially if I can take his blinds all the time because he is tight. I like third place at 120k better than 200k.

As you describe the table dynamics (and you are right to believe they may change simply because you are now three handed as player may have been laddering up to top 3) I would assume I am toast here and would prefer sb had a pocket pair to a better Ax.

If playing it preflop, I would probably raise bigger than 2.5x and then would be pot committed to call the shove. Any A three handed is a big hand, no doubt, if he has 7-8bbs instead of 12, I likely call as well.
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08-20-2019 , 05:38 PM
some fairly terrible advice itt.

you are getting 1,61:1 so you need roughly 38% equity vs his range to break even (not including any icm implications). if villain shoves a somewhat tight range of top 18% we are breaking even, if he is shoving wider than that (top 30% for instance, which seems like a fairly reasonable reshoving range) our call is printing (41% equity vs that range).

so unless villain is absurdly nitty we should always find a call, however preflop sizing is unnecessarily big. absolutely no reason to go bigger than 2x in which case we would need roughly 42% equity to break even and therefore probably fold A2o in that specific spot.
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08-20-2019 , 09:02 PM
Well it is no longer only fairly terrible, we have fallen into gibberish.

You really just posted that as played it's an even money call because if sb has widened his range by almost 90% we are printing money by picking up 3% equity but if sb is nitty (which he seems by the description) we should have raised .5bb smaller and then it's a fold because you need 42% equity, not 38%?
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08-20-2019 , 11:19 PM
It's a fold and isn't close either, we can just fold preserve our stack advantage and continue to apply pressure which will be infinitely more profitable than worrying whether we needed 38% equity and had 40 etc etc.
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08-21-2019 , 06:08 AM
Unfortunately can not remember payouts exact. Seems like a close-ish spot then with some divided opinions. Probably do lean towards the fold after some thought. Especially given our chip lead over the short stack. A careless 2.5x open probably made me go with it in the end.

Thanks for the replies.

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08-21-2019 , 02:46 PM
Very easy fold if you know how to abuse the mid-stack
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08-21-2019 , 03:23 PM
Results?
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08-21-2019 , 03:47 PM
Showed up with 66 and we couldn't get there.

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