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Originally Posted by erc007
Easy call...this is a very common play in HUNL (to donk for ~1/4 pot when the middle or bottom card pairs ott.) We do this with a very wide range, which includes some trip combos. It can occasionally be done w TP on boards where OOP has a lot more trips.
Well top pair now just made those trips so does it ever make sense for 33-66, 88 or the one remaining 99 combos to do this? Protection against two overs isn't that important anymore considering this turn is a pretty big brick for the cbettor and those very hands from which he may desire protection now have half as much equity, is that right?
In theory I guess OOP definitely *should* have more 7x but in practice does he really have that much additional 7x here? I guess 87s can make for a (suboptimal?) flat pre. I shudder to think 97s is a good flat for SB. A7s, sure., Anything else?
Do you think you can find a reasonable flatting range for SB such that this isn't a totally suboptimal if not highly exploitative turn donk?
I can definitely see like JhTh or QhTh or Ah5h or something like that taking this line as a bluff, having little to no SDV and maybe getting a reluctant fold from A-high or K-high, but at the same time, how would donking potentially be superior to checking to the cbettor and letting him act? It's not like SB can't, in the case where IP checks back turn, then bomb the rivers that disproportionately benefit SB. IP can't just barrel OTT willy nilly with the very hands SB would be targeting for folds OTR, can he?
I've tried a few different ranges so far and every time I get SB checking to IP OTT 100% of the time.
Is raising turn an option if we think V is dense with FDs or worse pairs that for some reason decided to donk turn? Part of me really wants to stack off here.
Last edited by EggsMcBluffin; 06-22-2019 at 02:37 PM.