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Chico Sunday Main-Event 200k GTD, deep stage facing a 4b IP. Chico Sunday Main-Event 200k GTD, deep stage facing a 4b IP.

09-21-2021 , 08:29 PM
    Chico - 45000/90000 Ante 10800 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 8 players

    This guy has been at the table for a few orbits now. He has been very aggressive and kind of going crazy at the table. My stats on him are 24/21 with a 21.4% 3bet but only 56 hands at this time. I have also been fairly aggressive and abusing the shorter stacks at the table and have been 3betting a decent amount as well..

    Something about his 4b here OOP feels weak to me and it costs 810k chips to see a 1.93 million pot to see the flop and in position. I make this call since I am one of the chip leaders and feel that any post-flop decision will be fairly easy to make and I can afford to risk a few chips to earn some chips with aggressive play here against an opponent that I believe is making a lot of mistakes and to possibly earn future chips by being seen as loose/aggro once I receive a monster hand. I can't remember exactly but I believe there is 5-7 tables left.


    Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

    UTG+1: 1,508,784 (16.8 bb)
    MP: 1,238,988 (13.8 bb)
    MP+1: 953,888 (10.6 bb)
    CO: 3,835,696 (42.6 bb)
    Hero (BTN): 5,517,070 (61.3 bb)
    SB: 1,505,756 (16.7 bb)
    BB: 876,232 (9.7 bb)
    UTG: 4,074,988 (45.3 bb)

    8 players post ante of 10,800, SB posts 45,000, BB posts 90,000

    Pre Flop: (pot: 221,400) Hero has K Q
    4 folds, CO raises to 180,000, Hero raises to 450,000, 2 folds, CO raises to 1,260,000, Hero calls 810,000

    Flop: (2,741,400, 2 players) 3 6 J
    CO checks, Hero checks

    Turn: (2,741,400, 2 players) 4
    CO bets 90,000, Hero ?, fold



    so is this too spewy? what do I do here on the turn? what about on the river?
    Chico Sunday Main-Event 200k GTD, deep stage facing a 4b IP. Quote
    09-22-2021 , 12:29 PM
    As played, folding the turn is you're only option here, such a small sizing there is very weird and I just don't see you ahead of any hands right now. I don't mind the check back on the flop but I could see you betting small here (~30-40%) as you do have a backdoor straight and a backdoor flush draw and might be able to fold out some of his A high's that are ahead of you.

    As for preflop, it's generally good strategy to avoid getting into large pots against other big stacks, especially later on in MTT's. The 3-bet is standard, but a hand like KQs hates facing a 4-bet as the deepstack on a table full of short stacks. I do think calling is the correct option, especially since this guy's been showing consistent aggression, but wouldn't hate to see a fold to his 4-bet here.
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    09-22-2021 , 04:43 PM
    Not folding to a minbet given pot size. Could be a misclick or he wants you to think it is. Re-evaluate river but not calling much even if I hit.
    Chico Sunday Main-Event 200k GTD, deep stage facing a 4b IP. Quote
    09-22-2021 , 07:38 PM
    Why would he not be firing out on this board with his AA/KK? calling the turn also gives him another chance to actually fire a real barrel that will leave him with a stack size that can't possibly fold if I were to shove over yet I don't exactly have a value hand here either...
    Chico Sunday Main-Event 200k GTD, deep stage facing a 4b IP. Quote
    09-22-2021 , 08:27 PM
    also does his minbet not seem super weak? can we not raise/fold here on the turn?
    Chico Sunday Main-Event 200k GTD, deep stage facing a 4b IP. Quote
    09-22-2021 , 10:33 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wems
    also does his minbet not seem super weak? can we not raise/fold here on the turn?
    Sure but why put money into the pot, in position, given the villains shitty bet sizing with nothing but air. It's a gift that you get to see the river for 1bb. You can still bluff river if he checks or bets 1bb again.
    Chico Sunday Main-Event 200k GTD, deep stage facing a 4b IP. Quote
    09-24-2021 , 05:24 AM
    Not folding to a 90k bet in a 2.7mil ish pot. Getting great odds to either float or raise depending on villain.

    I could have 7 high and i'm not folding to that bet. If he's a weak player you just print equity off of him when you raise. Your cards don't even matter, imo anyway.

    If he raises, you can fold. If he calls a raise from you, you get to determine the price you see the river for and you can determine whether its a good card for you to bluff on or not. Don't overthink the situation.

    It is a 3 mil pot you basically just let him have for free. Those are the kind of pots you need to fight for in order to win a tourney. Plus you cover everyone on the table with less than 100 players remaining, we should be pretty aggressive here. Win the pot and you basically double your stack for free. Lose the pot and welp we lost the pot anyway. We might lose an extra 800k-1.5 mil or so but worth it if you can double your chip count. These are the stages where you build a significant chip stack so we can win the tournament.

    Most people in this situation are nits. They see the money and think oh another spot equals another 1k. That is the wrong mindset. Your goal should always be to put yourself in the best situation possible to win the tourney.

    Last edited by king klutch55; 09-24-2021 at 05:50 AM.
    Chico Sunday Main-Event 200k GTD, deep stage facing a 4b IP. Quote
    09-24-2021 , 08:32 AM
    I am not really opposed to a turn bluff here but, imo, it probably has to be 1mil+ and I am not really excited to do that given the action. If I reraised pre with clubs and two overs am I really checking this flop? I don't know what your turn bluff signals other than buying the pot. And then my stack is less than a pot size bet if I end up double barrelling the river.

    In no scenario is villains bet anything but a mistake unless it makes us blast off into a nutted hand.

    Some players that underbet/check a street overcompensate the next street to recapture some of that lost value. If he fires pot in the river on an obvious blank, you got there for one big blind.
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    10-14-2021 , 01:15 AM
    I’d call the turn bet. Can’t fold with those odds. If the river is a club or a jack and he checks I think we can steal it.

    There’s also merit to just calling his open with the intention of calling a shove from either blind (given their stack sizes) if the PFR folds. What about his 4 bet made you think it was weak? He put in 1/3 of his stack very deep in a tournament. I know you said you think he’s making mistakes, but have you seen him make any? Have you seen any of the hands he’s been 3! yet? Those stats are high, but it’s a very small sample.
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    10-24-2021 , 09:19 AM
    Not a good hand to 3b unless you're confident that he'll 4b bluff a lot and you can confidently jam it in. 3b/folding this hand is a disaster - I'd call pre and consider 3b worse Kx combos and of course better. His line is odd - I would think a big pair would bet the flop/turn. Could have a hand like AK - at this point I'd call the turn and prepare to make a big river bluff if he checks to you or does a small blocker bet. Not much else you can do when you get to a river with the complete bottom of your range vs a player who doesn't seem to be that strong.
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