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Old 06-07-2021, 03:59 PM   #1
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Can you telling me how much calling I am doing here???

Hi!!;

In this hand ($320 toruney) I am think sometime we can call this one. But other time I am think he always have a pair something bc people who plaing like me clicking call button too much so maybe he going bigger with the bluff and only having the weak value hand here.

Preflop KdTh (30bb on BTN)

I raise 2bb and just BB call

Flop Jc5d4s

it going check and ckeck

Turn 9h

BB bet 1bb I calling (are you just folding this one here???)

River 2c

BB bet 2bb what hero doing???

BB having a lot of weak hands preflop that I still beat now so.
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Old 06-07-2021, 04:01 PM   #2
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Re: Can you telling me how much calling I am doing here???

How about what are you doing with a pair of 4's on river? Also folding?

I do not think V should be having worst than pair of 5's for his valuing range.
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Old 06-07-2021, 04:37 PM   #3
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Re: Can you telling me how much calling I am doing here???

I think J54 rainbow is a pure c-bet for your range in that spot ... I might be wrong, but the solved videos I've been wathcing have J and low card boards always c-betted BU vs. BB at 30 bb.
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Old 06-07-2021, 06:12 PM   #4
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Re: Can you telling me how much calling I am doing here???

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I think J54 rainbow is a pure c-bet for your range in that spot ... I might be wrong, but the solved videos I've been wathcing have J and low card boards always c-betted BU vs. BB at 30 bb.
Were do you get the solved videos?
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Old 06-07-2021, 06:28 PM   #5
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Re: Can you telling me how much calling I am doing here???

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Old 06-07-2021, 06:56 PM   #6
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Re: Can you telling me how much calling I am doing here???

Cbet flop, ap fold river. Villain will have to manu 4x, 5x, Ax that were behind.

Why did you x flop and what was the plan?

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Old 06-08-2021, 10:37 AM   #7
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I think J54 rainbow is a pure c-bet for your range in that spot ... I might be wrong, but the solved videos I've been wathcing have J and low card boards always c-betted BU vs. BB at 30 bb.
My PIO sim showed this as a check back 34% of the time. Hero had options to bet 25 and 65% of the pot.

We are never folding the turn; in fact we raise this turn a fair bit with our gutter and overcard.

The river is mostly a fold at equilibrium, but calling for such a good price can't be terrible, and villain has a boat load of missed straight draws, with only 63s getting there on the river.
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Old 06-08-2021, 03:52 PM   #8
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My PIO sim showed this as a check back 34% of the time. Hero had options to bet 25 and 65% of the pot.

We are never folding the turn; in fact we raise this turn a fair bit with our gutter and overcard.

The river is mostly a fold at equilibrium, but calling for such a good price can't be terrible, and villain has a boat load of missed straight draws, with only 63s getting there on the river.
I don't mind a x back on the flop if we had an Ace in this spot. I think the 25% bet option is much superior, keeping initiative, our range uncapped, and making villain fold his junk.

On the river other than 67, 87, 86 there aren't too many missed SD and villain likely sizes up his bluffs more than 2bb (into 7.5bb?) on the river imo. A third sizing seems blocky/value-y
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Old 06-08-2021, 06:56 PM   #9
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I don't mind a x back on the flop if we had an Ace in this spot. I think the 25% bet option is much superior, keeping initiative, our range uncapped, and making villain fold his junk.

On the river other than 67, 87, 86 there aren't too many missed SD and villain likely sizes up his bluffs more than 2bb (into 7.5bb?) on the river imo. A third sizing seems blocky/value-y
QT and T8 (which we block) are also open ended on the turn.

The small bet with range has plenty of merit vs most Villains; Even vs PIO it is only giving up 0.015BB, and PIO is using a very aggressive check raise range that our hero's Villain probably does not have...
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Old 06-10-2021, 09:37 AM   #10
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Re: Can you telling me how much calling I am doing here???

Calling river seems bad as we block a lot of missed straight draws.

Folding seems standard and fine

What about a raise though? This bet screams marginal pair to me, trying to get value from Ahi. We can have some A3,22 that checked back flop or a 52s,42s type hand. Pretty easy to overbluff this spot though.
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Old 06-10-2021, 10:29 AM   #11
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Calling river seems bad as we block a lot of missed straight draws.

Folding seems standard and fine

What about a raise though? This bet screams marginal pair to me, trying to get value from Ahi. We can have some A3,22 that checked back flop or a 52s,42s type hand. Pretty easy to overbluff this spot though.
We only block 8 of the 64 eight out straight draws.

Raising the river looks strange. We can have A3/22, but might have bet those on the flop as well. You are definitely right that if we start turning hands like KT into a bluff, we can bluff too much.

Since we beat so many missed straight draws, it seems better to just hope Villain is leveling us with a small bet with that kind of hand...
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Old 06-10-2021, 10:58 AM   #12
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We only block 8 of the 64 eight out straight draws.

Raising the river looks strange. We can have A3/22, but might have bet those on the flop as well. You are definitely right that if we start turning hands like KT into a bluff, we can bluff too much.

Since we beat so many missed straight draws, it seems better to just hope Villain is leveling us with a small bet with that kind of hand...
Yea I guess there are a bunch of 67,78,68 potentially, I forgot about those middle cards. It just my experience that this is marginal showdown value much more than a bluff and I dont expect to be good ~17-18% of the time like we need to be
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Old 06-17-2021, 12:47 PM   #13
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Re: Can you telling me how much calling I am doing here???

Cbet flop didn't even look at rest of hand.
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Old 06-17-2021, 11:29 PM   #14
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Cbet flop didn't even look at rest of hand.
Did you not see the part where pio says itís a mix or are you just smarter than the ai now
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Old 06-21-2021, 05:58 PM   #15
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Cbet flop didn't even look at rest of hand.
Do you even PIO bro?

I ran a sim today to include these small bets that we are facing, and to see the flop strategy.


My sim has KTo as a 75% check back hand. And on this board we are checking back with 33% of our range. At least with 33%, 66%, 100% bet size options.

I was surprised TBH, I expected this type of board to be basically a range bet

The EV between checking and betting small is nonexistent though, <1% of a BB. So a range bet strategy is still probably fine, especially against weaker opponents who aren't c/ring enough.


The solver actually likes villain's bet size (well, it likes a 20% bet) on turn and river with its weaker pairs and KTo is a high % fold on the river with a equal mix of calling or raising otherwise.
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Old 07-03-2021, 12:59 PM   #16
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Re: Can you telling me how much calling I am doing here???

Thanking every one for there reply!!

It seeming like check back the flop and calling the river OK sometime but most of the time we just betting flop and folding river as what sound reasonable for me.
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