A hand that I got KO in PartyPoker PKO 109 buyin.

https://upswingpoker.com/hand/?pokeit=59p4NPuW

#Game No : 17946970136
***** Hand History for Game 17946970136 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $109 USD Buy-in Trny:186356580 Level:12 Blinds-Antes(750/1.5K -190) - Tuesday, November 13, 03:17:00 CT 2018
Table BIG Bounty Hunter. $50K Gtd (186356580) Table #5 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 8/8
Seat 8: Bicc05 ( 66,343 )
Seat 4: GaryPerez ( 140,868 )
Seat 2: RonaSeasonBaby ( 114,915 )
Seat 7: SleeepWalker13 ( 82,567 )
Seat 3: ddonkcom ( 123,332 )
Seat 1: duquezinho ( 183,703 )
Seat 6: elsampa69 ( 79,682 )
Seat 5: kimikaze88 ( 106,600 )
Trny:186356580 Level:12
Blinds-Antes(750/1,500 -190)
duquezinho posts ante [190]
RonaSeasonBaby posts ante [190]
ddonkcom posts ante [190]
GaryPerez posts ante [190]
kimikaze88 posts ante [190]
elsampa69 posts ante [190]
SleeepWalker13 posts ante [190]
Bicc05 posts ante [190]
GaryPerez posts small blind [750].
kimikaze88 posts big blind [1,500].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to kimikaze88 [ Qh Qd ]
elsampa69 folds
SleeepWalker13 folds
Bicc05 raises [3,000]
duquezinho folds
RonaSeasonBaby folds
ddonkcom raises [9,000]
GaryPerez folds
kimikaze88 calls [7,500]
Bicc05 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9s, 7h, 3s ]
kimikaze88 checks
ddonkcom bets [9,000]
kimikaze88 calls [9,000]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Td ]
kimikaze88 bets [27,750]
ddonkcom calls [27,750]
** Dealing River ** [ Qs ]
Your time bank will be activated in 6 secs. If you do not want it to be used, please act now.
kimikaze88 will be using their time bank for this hand.
kimikaze88 checks
ddonkcom is all-In [77,392]
kimikaze88 is all-In [60,660]
kimikaze88 shows [ Qh, Qd ]three of a kind, Queens.
ddonkcom shows [ Jc, 8c ]a straight, Eight to Queen.
ddonkcom wins 16,732 chips from the side pot 1 with a straight, Eight to Queen.
ddonkcom wins 218,090 chips from the main pot with a straight, Eight to Queen.
Player kimikaze88 finished in 411.
ddonkcom has knocked out kimikaze88 and won a $54 USD bounty prize.

I intend to punish this very aggressive guy by slow playing but in the end, I got myself into trouble. Can you fold this hand on river? How many mistakes do you think I make by slow playing?

When I leads out on Turn and got called, I assume his hand range are very likely a set or an over pair and eliminate flush draw. I decided to check the river because I think it is a great card for me and a great card for him to induce bluff. When he shoves all-in, I got 2.5 to 1 which means I need to be right roughly 30% of the time. Should I fold or can you fold?

I would 4b pre. As played just check turn ... keep him wide.

Yeah, I think 4 bet is pretty standard to take down the pot. I guess even c/r OTF are pretty standard play there. But this guy is just way too aggressive made me decide to play another way against him. I really didn't put him on 8Js at all when he 3 bet the open MP which is tight player. I leads turn just trying to narrow down his hand and when get called, I really put him on two pair, a set or an over pair. If a Queen doesn't come, my plan was to c/f on river. Queen on the river is just too tough for me to fold there.

I believe some people curious the way I slow play this hand. I will explain a bit what's going on in my mind at that time.

1) I view Villain as hyper aggro reg. During the early 11 levels, his chips are just like riding on a roller coasters. Up to 160bbs and down to 70bbs.

2) When he 3 bet tight MP open and I am holding QQ in BB, I already figuring how can I allow him to put more chips in with his aggressive play and I decided to slow play. Of course I can get away cheap if I think I am beat.

3) Flops is perfect for my slow play according to previous action. Villain pretty standard c-bet, I took sometime to figure out the best possible way I could play this hand. If I want to c/r on flop, I should just make a 4 bet on pre instead of calling. With such a great flop, I believe calling is the best choice for me.

4) I opt to call flop and leads turn for information. I bet huge about 18bbs into 27bbs pot. Once villain call, I almost certain that my hand were beat by at least over pair, two pair or a set. I am ready to c/f on river even bricks come.

5) Queen on the river really change my plan. It is less likely a flush draw when villain call my huge turn bet. Since he is hyper aggressive, I want him to think that his over pair, two pair or set is good enough and let him to do the job.

It really surprise me a lot when showdown with 8cJc, and start to figuring how he 3 bet a tight opener with this range.

Appreciate if there is some advise on my plan. Anything I did wrong here?

Frist i would 2.5x him preflop , as he is on button his range is realy wide, i would like to talk on trun, i would choise much bigger size lets say full put(this amount can say us is he have a finish hand or he is on draw , plus you have flush open on river + straight
so there is space to find a fold in way hand was played.

I do agree some of your point. I don't 4 bet here because Villain is a super aggressive player. The best way to punish super aggressive player is let him put the chips in and disguise your hand range as I always do. I agree button range is pretty wide usually but a 3 bet from villain vs MP tight game really narrowing his range down. I think we have the almost same view on turn but regarding the bet size, if a pot bet on turn means I cannot fold on river no matter what if get called. I start the hand roughly 65bbs, 7bbs pfr, 28bbs turns which means I have invest about 60% of my stacks before river. To me, 70% of pot or 18bbs on turn will do the same job as 28bbs, because no good player will invest 18bbs to win 45 bbs on 1 to go draw. When villain called my turn bet, I almost certain I was beat at this point. But a river Queen totally change my plan. I am almost sure that it is very unlikely I will lose to a flush on river because it has been eliminated range on turn call. A Queen river leads me to believe I will beat his over pair, two pair and set range. If let's say a blank such as any 2,3,4,5,6,7 on the river, I have no hesitate to fold.

You have a read on villain that he will barrel each street. Turns out your read was good and villain obliged by barreling away. As it happens villain hits his hand on the river, but you've got to imagine that with your read he's firing a third barrel with a bluff a good amount of the time. Though with your top set and losing to a narrow range you're not folding this river anyway.

You could definitely have played this differently up to river. But as it happened you got exactly the result you wanted from villain (excluding his river bink).

V made hand on turn.

4b pre OP, you're OOP and a good lag will make you're life hell. What happens when it comes A89r? Are you just going to c/c all the way hoping he didn't hit an ace?

Actually he got a point and fully understand what I am doing and thinking. As if the situation you mentioned that flops come A89, I have no hesitation to give up a 7 bbs loss and wouldn't pray that he won't hit Ace there and c/c all the way. As I mentioned, I have no hesitation to fold on the river after investing so many blinds even without an Ace. It is the Queen on river that made my decision can't fold. You can see how villain aggressive playing his hand on river even a complete flush.

Yes, I know he will barrel a lot and plan to disguise my hand from pre-flop. I absolutely agree I can use different approach up to river if against other tight aggressive player. A standard play 4 bet pre, c-bet and take down the pot immediately but that's not my plan against villain aggressive play.

Ok well everyone is telling you to 4b pre and you keep saying "no, I know what I'm doing by trapping with QQ OOP" so I guess you have it all figured out.

GL at tables

It is a discussion and as I mentioned, I know a 4 bet pre is a standard play here and no doubt about this answer. My biggest concern and question here wasn't about pre flop play because I believe all profitable player will give me the same answer on pre-flop, it is about the river Queen.

Just 4b pre 22-23k. Sets pot up nicely where you prolly can bet flop and pile turn. Not a fan of flatting qq here. I would be more of a fan if opponents stack was much shorter and he had like a psb left after.

I’m more a fan of flatting if stacks were like <40bbs. We are too deep not to 4bet for value here I feel.

I agree and that's what I usually do but sometime against certain player and to balance. This is another QQ hand on the same tournament and I totally do it with different way.

https://upswingpoker.com/hand/?pokeit=59p4NHX7

Folding top set against a lag seems pretty bad.

/thread

Looks like V has a straight. XF river.

What would be your range otr? How much of it do you think you need to defend vs his bet?

Fwiw river is rather easy to play in this hand imo.

Also I fkn hate this HH format, lol.

Hay OP