PokerStars Hand #199627541086: Tournament #2589811465, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (800/1600) - 2019/04/23 23:04:00 WET [2019/04/23 18:04:00 ET]
Table '2589811465 20' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: silent climb (16504 in chips)
Seat 2: TerjePower18 (27846 in chips)
Seat 3: jaguarxk120 (49019 in chips)
Seat 4: Kihlström (17937 in chips)
Seat 5: manuverd0n (67112 in chips)
Seat 6: C0SM1C (7766 in chips)
Seat 7: H Peng (52985 in chips)
Seat 8: filfedra (43230 in chips)
Seat 9: UruRey (56058 in chips)
silent climb: posts the ante 160
TerjePower18: posts the ante 160
jaguarxk120: posts the ante 160
Kihlström: posts the ante 160
manuverd0n: posts the ante 160
C0SM1C: posts the ante 160
H Peng: posts the ante 160
filfedra: posts the ante 160
UruRey: posts the ante 160
C0SM1C: posts small blind 800
H Peng: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H Peng [Ad Qs]
filfedra: folds
UruRey: folds
silent climb: folds
TerjePower18: folds
jaguarxk120: folds
Kihlström: folds
manuverd0n: raises 1920 to 3520
C0SM1C: folds
H Peng: raises 49305 to 52825 and is all-in
manuverd0n: calls 49305
*** FLOP *** [8h 5d 7s]
*** TURN *** [8h 5d 7s] [7c]
*** RIVER *** [8h 5d 7s 7c] [Ks]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
H Peng: shows [Ad Qs] (a pair of Sevens)
manuverd0n: shows [5h 5c] (a full house, Fives full of Sevens)
manuverd0n collected 107890 from pot
H Peng finished the tournament in 229th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 107890 | Rake 0
Board [8h 5d 7s 7c Ks]
Seat 1: silent climb folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: TerjePower18 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: jaguarxk120 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Kihlström folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: manuverd0n (button) showed [5h 5c] and won (107890) with a full house, Fives full of Sevens
Seat 6: C0SM1C (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: H Peng (big blind) showed [Ad Qs] and lost with a pair of Sevens
Seat 8: filfedra folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: UruRey folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Villian min raises and you shove almost 20x his bet and are now heads up. He does not put you on a pair because you raised 20x his bet. Perhaps there was some history that led him to this belief. He survives the coin toss regardless with a 16k chipstack. He is correct and you lose.

Well i have gone all in 333bigs+ what hands im i gonna do that with? 77+ and AJ+ and the rest of the small pairs i will defend there and connected cards defend.
so for him to call me there he has to put me on 22 33 44 or AXs.
there was no history. and if he does put me on AXs there is 55 really a good call? because it does not have much value.
i think its the worst call to make there when playing for 17k first place. how many times are you gonna be winning there with 55 to call?

Your bet looks like you don't want a call and thus if I was villain and ranging you, I'd assign AJ+, 99-QQ. There are 48 combos of the Ax hands and only 24 of the pairs, so 67% of your range he's ahead of.

The shove for 32BB+ was too spewy and transparent (you're never doing this with KK or AA).

If this was my hand the main takeaway wouldn't be villain's call, but instead my own failure to assess Level 3/4 thinking properly in combination with bet sizing and risk/reward with my remaining stack utility.

Its a terrible call.

But it was a terrible shove.

You are risking too much to win too little. He should be calling with QQ+/AK. Which means if you get called you are in a lot of trouble.

Maybe he calls with TT+/AK which still means you are in a lot of trouble.

I understand why you don't want to 3-bet and play a big pot OOP. To me its an easy call pre-flop and then just let it go when I miss.

Some people like to 3-bet to get an immediate fold and that is fine too. I try to mix it up a little so its not obvious what I have when I call or raise.

Going forward pls:

[X] Convert your HHs
[X] Post HHs where some strategic decision is available
[X] List the 1st place prize when ur prob not even close to the money/min cash
[X] Realize that calls like this are very uncommon in MTTs, so don't sweat it b/c it will prob never happen again

Since this is button versus BB, the push is not that bad, but 3b/gii is better. A lot of people assume a push like that is a big ace and call with a small pp. However, you could also do this with a mid pp. It is unlikely you have AA/KK. Misplayed by both players, but I have seen a lot worse mistakes at this stakes even preflop.

My hand blocks AA QQ, the only hands he can have there to call is KK JJ 1010 and even so, I am 30% worst case. Like 95% of the time his folding there, so I don't think it's a bad all in as I am taking the pot there and then which is like 14% of my stack. some times I would call and play pot but it is such a good hand to waste blind v button to call and fold to a bad flop that we don't hit. also if he was in a different position I would play it differently too. but in my opionon, he should open and call off SB and fold to my 3bet all in with his hand there. if I 3 bet there I give him the chance to 4 bet all in there, and how many hands are going to 4 bet all in there? 77+ to KK and then I have to make the choice of calling a 4 bet there with AQ yes it is 30% worst case but do I want to risk it at that point? 50% of the times 3 bet call might be good but 50% would be bad so it would be bad to 3 bet call there in my opinion. Also, I believe that I played it good as I got 55 to call off there which is a bad call. if I was to 3 bet there 55 would fold, it was just unlucky for 55 to hold. I what to say THANK YOU to everyone that wrote there opinion and I do Appreciate it as it will only make me a better player. next time in the same position I will go all v him with AA and see how his 55s plays then

"Playing for 17K"

"H Peng finished the tournament in 229th place"

lol

^ ahahahha !


- shove pre unnecessary.
- puts you on AK he calls, would be a nice note on the guy next time you meet him with 33 bbs
- you cap your range
- you make a play then someone calls and now you go: 'but how can he call here?!!?' <-you are kind of thinking for you opponent. while he may not be thinking too much.

Its a bad call but, if he does not put you on a made hand, he is 51-52%. Perhaps he saw you shove all in three other previous times with ak,aq. He is not putting you on 22,33,44. He simply determined you have no pocket pair because of your monster overbet.

both of you are terrible

Since you're so concerned with 'playing for 17k' that's not the question. As you can see you were behind and lost. Don't act like you're about the flip life when you're lobby stalking 200 out.

The question is will he call with AJ, KQ, AT, QJ? Those are the hands you want action from and if he'll fold 55 v a small 3bet that's GOOD.

And you're never doing it with AA so don't kid yourself. But I can get behind it with AK vs very specific whales with broken fold buttons when they see paint, balanced by 99, TT etc if we're worried about balance.

Finally just because somebody does something bad, doesn't mean it's good for you. He transferred EV from both of you to the rest of the players in the tournament. That's the wicked injustice of the game.

Yea it was a terrible call. But you decided to go up against someone who was willing to gamble and was also able to read your hand and knew he had an advantage. Or you went up against someone who had no idea how bad the call was and thought his 5s were amazing. Gotta be careful when gambling.

The over shove isn't that bad. The reasons for doing it are you don't want to play OOP if he flats and have a close decision to a 4-bet. Here, AQ is too strong BB vs. BTN is both respects, so the push would be better with a little weaker hand. 3-bet/gii is somewhat better. I don't think the overbet is terrible though.

The call with 55 is bad because he doesn't have enough equity versus your range. The BB probably flat calls smaller pps and hopes to hit. So your range is pretty all over cards, often big aces, and mid pps.

Do think the shove with 33BB is probably ok. We do want a mix of 3bet and shoves here, generally with our more vulnerable hands where we don't mind folds (big offsuit Ax, small to mid pairs). I think with our best suited Ax and big pairs we can almost always 3bet rather than shove. At ~40BB we should be pretty much 100% 3bet rather than shove.

If your opponent thinks you are weighted towards Ax/Kx and small to mid pairs, there is a universe where you can justify calling off with 55. Wouldn't do this vs. randoms very often but I can see it if I believe my opponent is capable of having that kind of capped range. It is kind of a sick call to make and I'd certainly be taking a note of it in the future vs. that player.

Just flat call and take it to the streets

Is the play flat call or 3-bet/gii? AQ is pretty strong BTN vs. BB.

Sick level OP

He'll hit a set otr

Yeah it's like aids but hey some people must enjoy to have that, folding out all the hands you want to play against and get called by all you don't.