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Old 09-16-2020, 08:59 PM   #1
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Can I get away from JJ here?

Hi, not been on this site for years so not sure how to import the hand history.

https://www.cardschat.com/replayer/424H0L9E1

Hopefully that works!

Last 150 of 5000.
27BB. 10/20k blinds. UTG+1 opens 2x. I raise to 7.5x. He shuvs. I call.

Can I fold to the shuv? Or did I **** up before that?

Been away from the tables for a while so appreciate any help
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Old 09-16-2020, 09:44 PM   #2
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Re: Can I get away from JJ here?

Could flat pre, but once you 3-bet you cannot fold to the 4-bet all in from the original raiser.
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Old 09-16-2020, 10:08 PM   #3
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Re: Can I get away from JJ here?

Thanks man. Yeah I should have probably flat pre. Just seemed a bit weird to do that.
The guy had only just moved to the table so no prior info. Next time ey 🤔
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Old 09-16-2020, 11:38 PM   #4
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Re: Can I get away from JJ here?

Didn't mean to imply that you should be flatting a lot. I think you should usually 3-bet get it in, unless the raiser is tight.
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Old 09-17-2020, 03:13 AM   #5
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Re: Can I get away from JJ here?

Looks fine
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Old 09-17-2020, 07:15 AM   #6
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Re: Can I get away from JJ here?

People don't seem to be disciplined enough to overfold to the extent they should vs the population of 3b-not-all-ins 25bb deep from LJ.

Most players in your spot rep QQ+, some AKo, a tiny bit of AQo, some AQs-AKs, and some TT-JJ. That's about it.

So it seems OK in a lot of universes but if 4bettor is perceptive and good he may only have QQ+, AK when he ships it and in that case you can fold. And even then QQ,AKo are pretty iffy vs the pop of 3bettors.

You can definitely get away in many universes, though.
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Old 09-17-2020, 07:28 AM   #7
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Re: Can I get away from JJ here?

In fact if the 4bettor is making the (generally correct) risky assumption about just how tight and strong and underbluffed your 3bs are then JJ are pretty severly -EV fscing his 4b
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Old 09-17-2020, 09:36 AM   #8
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Re: Can I get away from JJ here?

Unless we know Villain is opening wide EP 8 handed I tend to flat here pre-flop. The reason I prefer to flat is that Villain will almost certainly 4-bet shove with AK/AQs/QQ+ but won't with 88-TT mostly (I believe Villain will fold 66-99 a lot because set mining is useless once we 3-bet).

So I believe we have about 40% equity here (maybe slightly less) when Villain shoves. Which means that we should call. But I don't think we should be putting ourselves in this position in the first place.
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Old Yesterday, 12:58 PM   #9
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Re: Can I get away from JJ here?

What are people’s thoughts on the 7.5x 3b sizing over the 2x open?
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Old Yesterday, 07:11 PM   #10
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Re: Can I get away from JJ here?

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What are people’s thoughts on the 7.5x 3b sizing over the 2x open?
I don't like it, because it makes it look like you have what you have. It looks like you aren't folding to a 4!, but you don't mind if he folds. So it looks like AK/JJ or something like that.

I also prefer flat.
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Old Yesterday, 10:29 PM   #11
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Re: Can I get away from JJ here?

You can't 3bet fold 27 bbs here. perfectly fine. You have 27 bbs. Maybe you can flat if you have a hud and its the nittiest player ever and you have a big sample of hands on them but this is super unlikely. 3betting is fine here. I think flatting would be kinda lolbad here. Just a cooler.
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