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Can I get away from AA? Can I get away from AA?

06-07-2017 , 08:11 AM
Unfortunately the hand history converter doesn't work so I will post the hand summary. I lost the hand but I am not sure if this could be avoided. KK and TT would have isolated preflop most likely. 88, KT, T8s, K8s are the hands which beat me. Suited club hands, QJ, J9s, 97s, Kx and Tx are the hands I beat. But would he lead with these hands after my iso preflop? Maybe because the 2 guys in front of him checks.

He could get there with his draws but my AA isn't dead either vs his value hands. I shoved because of all the possible draws. I had everybody covered for the potential bounties. Anyway, what are your thoughts? Thnx.

PokerStars Hand #171455412243: Tournament #1930916084, $5+$5+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (70/140) - 2017/06/07 11:45:37 CET [2017/06/07 5:45:37 ET]
Table '1930916084 98' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: MrBekD (17787 in chips, $5 bounty)
Seat 2: XuYandex (12128 in chips, $7.50 bounty)
Seat 3: Hero (21270 in chips, $16.25 bounty)
Seat 4: mimis_dirolo (20538 in chips, $5 bounty)
Seat 5: lawYYerr (4101 in chips, $5 bounty)
Seat 6: tomucojebe (6840 in chips, $10 bounty)
Seat 7: wluczykij8 (5136 in chips, $5 bounty)
Seat 8: jl191 (7059 in chips, $7.50 bounty)
Seat 9: ZikPro (3949 in chips, $5 bounty)
MrBekD: posts the ante 21
XuYandex: posts the ante 21
Hero: posts the ante 21
mimis_dirolo: posts the ante 21
lawYYerr: posts the ante 21
tomucojebe: posts the ante 21
wluczykij8: posts the ante 21
jl191: posts the ante 21
ZikPro: posts the ante 21
mimis_dirolo: posts small blind 70
lawYYerr: posts big blind 140
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [As Ad]
tomucojebe: calls 140
wluczykij8: calls 140
jl191: calls 140
ZikPro: folds
MrBekD: calls 140
XuYandex: folds
Hero: raises 700 to 840
mimis_dirolo: folds
lawYYerr: folds
tomucojebe: calls 700
wluczykij8: folds
jl191: calls 700
MrBekD: calls 700
*** FLOP *** [Tc Ks 8c]
tomucojebe: checks
jl191: checks
MrBekD: bets 2100
Hero: raises 18309 to 20409 and is all-in
tomucojebe: folds
jl191: folds
MrBekD: calls 14826 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (3483) returned to Hero
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06-07-2017 , 06:34 PM
1. Post this in Small Stakes MTT, where you'll get better feedback about bet-sizing in a recreational tournament.

2. Raise more preflop. As played, you've signaled a super-premium hand, while allowing opponents some non-crazy chances to take shots at outdrawing you. Villain gets to stick around with 94% of his stack still available and a chance to stack you. That's not good.

3. Raise more preflop. From the flop onward, the implied odds on almost any board get very problematic against multiple opponents. So many sets, 2pr and good draws become feasible. If they all missed and you remain way ahead, you won't get much more money from them. If somebody has pulled ahead of you, a bunch of your money will end up in the middle before you know you're behind.

The flop shove keeps company with three equally bad alternatives: calling, min-raising and folding. Once you get to this point against three opponents, nothing really works.
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06-07-2017 , 07:03 PM
Ill go as high as 1.400 pre, especially in low stakes where ppl love to limp call way too wide disregargong size. Flop I raise to 4,7/gii rather jamming, but shoving cant be that bad.
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06-08-2017 , 08:35 AM
First of all, thank you for your comments.

I posted this here because the buyinn is kinda in between the 2 forums. In my experience the advice here is a lot better tho. Maybe you are right about the betsizing subject for small stakes. I'll try next time.

When reading your comments my bet size was what got me into problems. Honestly I was assuming sqeeuzing 6 times the blind was already quite big.

So how do you guys determine how big you are going to make your size in this spot? Does it go up lineair with the amount of people limping? So for example 4x as standard and 1/1,5 bb for every additional limper?

@zanardi1 but if you make it 10x the big blind. Aren't you afraid to get folds from all limpers? I understand it would be more favorable to do with AK or AQ. But AA. I still want to get called right.

@RiverDood I did not expect 3 people calling my sqeeuze. But it probably was my own error that created this problematic situation. What size do you suggest in this spot?

Thnx again
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06-08-2017 , 10:11 AM
Agree that the sizing Pre should be a little higher maybe like 1099. Either way, on the flop he can be donking with like qj or QcJc or j9s or something. Think it's prob just a cooler and no prob sticking it in. Other times he will have kj or something. Feel like it's not a bad play but would prob adjust sizing to a bit more pre.


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