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 05-14-2017, 12:28 PM #1 Blurredelevens enthusiast   Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 59 Calculating m theory with anties What is the most simple way to calculate your M in tournaments with anties? Calculating M is obv very basic, but I've not found anything incorporating anties. (I know true M is related to level times)
 05-14-2017, 11:20 PM #2 JimyJamonas old hand   Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,665 Re: Calculating m theory with anties it does not have to do with level times. the total pot when everyone has anted and posted their blinds = 1m
05-15-2017, 12:17 AM   #3
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Re: Calculating m theory with anties

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 Originally Posted by JimyJamonas it does not have to do with level times. the total pot when everyone has anted and posted their blinds = 1m
It does have to do with level times. M theory is how many orbits you can make with your current stack. If there's only time for one more orbits at the current level and the next level doubles blinds, if you're not incorporating that into your calculation then you're way off....I do think I can figure it out though. 1m = sb/bb per orbit + ante x # of players at table......thanks.

 05-15-2017, 02:11 PM #4 cicakman Carpal \'Tunnel     Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 9,160 Re: Calculating m theory with anties Lol m. What decade are we in?
05-15-2017, 04:40 PM   #5
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Re: Calculating m theory with anties

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 Originally Posted by cicakman Lol m. What decade are we in?
So whats the current strategy of modern poker in reference to M?

 05-15-2017, 04:50 PM #6 Blurredelevens enthusiast   Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 59 Re: Calculating m theory with anties Regarding TRUE M. Also, Ccakma, This book discussing isn't that old....but yeah, I guess you think that tournament strategy has been revolutionized in the the past few years.....lol https://books.google.com/books?id=1R...levant&f=false
05-15-2017, 07:45 PM   #7
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Re: Calculating m theory with anties

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 Originally Posted by Blurredelevens So whats the current strategy of modern poker in reference to M?
To not use it

05-15-2017, 09:29 PM   #8
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Re: Calculating m theory with anties

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 Originally Posted by cicakman To not use it
Guess you're smarter than Harrington. What's the name of your book? RIP M (and Doyle)....never forget.

05-18-2017, 10:09 PM   #9
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Re: Calculating m theory with anties

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 Originally Posted by cicakman Lol m. What decade are we in?
There may not be an emphasis on it in the current era, but it IS a useful tool. And anyone not using ALL tools at their disposal is the one to be laughed at.

As to the OP's question, the estimated number of hands remaining in a level is going to be basically the same regardless of whether there are antes or not. Simply incorporate the ante into that calculation because that is chips coming out of your stack whether you play the hand or not...

 05-19-2017, 10:24 AM #10 Clevername69 old hand     Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,447 Re: Calculating m theory with anties So wouldn't M be the amount of antes you pay in an orbit + SB + BB?
05-19-2017, 11:04 AM   #11
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Re: Calculating m theory with anties

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 Originally Posted by Clevername69 So wouldn't M be the amount of antes you pay in an orbit + SB + BB?
Based upon my understanding, yes. And whether it is wholly correct or not, it IS a number I keep in my mind for what each orbit is costing me and IS a factor in some (not all) decisions if/when I am getting near or are already below average stack size.

 05-22-2017, 09:25 PM #12 dark_horse veteran     Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ride th'snake Posts: 2,783 Re: Calculating m theory with anties I've never understood why people prefer counting big blinds when that does not take into account antes and ante ratios. I got all mah zones memsmorized

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