This is actually a pretty easy fold. 11bb and the blinds just passed you. Especially with a short stack with 5-6bb on the other table. You’re gonna get so many better spots especially after the bubble bursts. If you get this spot after the bubble bursts, it’s a fist pump shove.

I think you can go ahead and fold at this point. Or at least, have the dignity to not sulk after taking your 30%.

Thanks guys, after skimming this thread, now I have AIDS

TBH, you probably already caught them from opening the other 1,000 "I have 10-15bbs on the bubble with a-rag or 88- against the big stack, what do I do" threads we have here.

The symptoms are more obvious, but they all end in the same stalemate.

wait jj is AIDS plural???

In that it multiples in your bloodstream, yes. But probable an "it" not a "them" when referencing to the disease.

I mean IDK about u but me, personally, I like personifying my STDs.

While my natural thought with 11 BB at the bubble is just shove since you have no guarantee anyone will bust out ahead of you and the mythic "better spot" may never come, Ax hands a very problematic since when you're called you're almost always dominated.

Better to shove here QJ, QT, JT type hands where there's some chance of 2 live cards vs overs or two overs to 88-TT.

OTOH, wait too long and your fold equity may disappear.

I am the opposite. I prefer to personify my body parts with names like big ed or the beanbag brothers and only refer to the STDs with medical terminology.

So your advice is to shove a worse hand and with less fold equity??? Having an A in your hand blocks the calling range of both players...

Holy ****, literally LOLing rn

This is now the "Dicks, balls, and AIDS thread" btw, sorry OP.

BTW OP I'll give you a non-trolling answer too:

This is an insanely profitable cEV shove (~.5bb in EV, which massive) and although I personally think it's 100% correct to have an open not all in range when we're >=~8-10bb, this hand is not in that range for a few reasons:

-You block much of V's calling range vs a jam making jam sheerly more profitable (I think, but until we can solve Nash equilibrium in multiway spots, no one can know this for sure theoretically, only empirically) (Primary Reason)

-This hand is tough to play postflop (which, while not at all a valid theoretical reason to jam, is certainly a valid practical reason to jam) (Secondary Reason)

-Being at the bubble means your shove should still apply some modicum of ICM pressure on the blinds which should generate a bit of extra FE in the $EV equilibrium beyond the FE generated by your shove in the cEV equilibrium, and I think chip leaders at this stage will call it off a bit too light (equilibrium snapping range is 22+,A2s+,A5o+,K9s+,KTo+,QTs+,JTs) and you're beating every marginal hand he may add to his calling range (Tertiary reason bc I doubt the ICM pressure is THAT significant andI also don't know how to model bubble shove spots like this--it would be easy to figure out our calling range in the BB if someone shoves and it folds to us in BB, shoving ranges are a different story because the action isn't closed)

As for this, I do not play professionally so take it with a grain of salt:

I am like 99% confident every single professional player who's actually competent would say this is a shove literally 100% of the time without even much hesitation. They are desensitized to bubbling events and do not give a flying **** about that mincash UNLESS there is some overwhelming need for that money that absolutely nothing can jeopardize mincashing in which case that individual should consider their life choices (such as asking themselves--and btw this is absolutely not directed at you OP--but they should start by asking themselves "Why am I paying $100 if I need $600 and I'm just gonna punt on a chance to win $7.5?") and whether or not poker is right for them because I really don't think there's any room for debate that this is a shove and doing anything but shove isn't just terrible it's just nonsensical. There's no way to justify folding here.

That's the issue here. Ax is problematic when called. Fold equity and hot and cold equity have to both be considered. Since I don't know what happened on prior hands, i don't know if OP waited too long to shove. This may have been the best seen in a couple of orbits.

11 BB allows a little leeway to wait for a hand with better hot and cold equity and fold equity doesn't until the BB when the full impact of antes hits.

I don't think the A blocker is relevant since when called by an ace, you'll have only 3 outs. Even when called by a hand like KQ you're only an 11:9 favorite.

This is something I’ve been struggling to understand - there are 3 other aces in the deck so what the heck do we block apart from our own ace? Is it just me that regularly sees two aces amongst the button Sb & bb hands?

The important thing to takeaway from this thread is that you are terrible at poker and terrible at trolling even though you claim that was your skill. I'm pretty let down, maybe just log off and don't come back. It would be best for all parties involved.

If I gave any relevance at all to your perspective then you might have hurt my feelings. If I had any

Just re-read my posts in this thread and I actually agree with you. But then I realised that this is such a tiny representation of myself that I couldn’t possibly reach such definite conclusions. That would stupid

Guys, I don't need to explain why it better to shove Ax than Kx or Qx here... Its basic combinatorics...

Calling range are super Ax heavy, so having an ace yourself, reduce the number of combos that will call you ( so you have more fold equity)
It doesn't matter the results of this hand when they snap you and tables AK.
folding here is burning chips and chances of a bigger score.

Ah, and more fold.equity you will not.find... Only maybe SBvsBB
Probably you shove 22-66 OTB with 11bb, well that is riskier than shoving any Ax ( figure out why urself)

cannot believe we get this many posts to a thread that can be solved with icmizer in 60 seconds

if you disagree with the icmizer results then you are the value at the poker table and we thank you for your contribution to our bankrolls

sure you can play with ranges to arrive at any outcome - but do it with math, show an equilibrium first and provide some solid reasons that doing this or that will generate a higher EV as an exploit

but you won’t do that because you are as lazy with your posts as you are with your learning. pls continue to post to this forum and confuse the beginner and intermediate non posters reading this thread, so that they may develop similar bad swing habits and add to my bankroll too.

don’t ever preface your opinion with imho or I’m not sure and would appreciate critique but I believe xyz to be the case on a small sample - that might actually flag you as a person capable of learning. we will be far more impressed if you state your opinions with force and certainty.

cliffs: please continue wearing your socks inside out for luck and have your 3-4 deep runs a year to validate your nonsense. and thank you again.

Thanks for raining on "Dicks, Balls, and AIDS Thread"'s parade, Mr. Killjoy.

the stupid was hurting and I had to make it stop

Is this directed at me?

You sound like a fun person to play with at the tables.

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