It was the live session, buy-in €50+€10, re-buy on first 3 levels, one add-on before level#4, 50 players, 6th places paid. My total investment €160.

We are on level #7, blinds are 200/400 and ante is 50.
The table looks like this:

BB : me, 14BB with the image of tight player.
SB : tight player, stack ~20BB
BTN : lucky maniac with ~40BB stack. He has vague idea on how to play, but get lucky all the time, e.g. won multiway all-in with 34o versus AKs, JJ and ATs
CO : ~25BB loose player
HJ : ~20BB, good accurate player.
LJ : ~35BB, pretty loose player. Earlier, I told him that I fold KJo from EP and he was like "What?? NO! you limp preflop with this hand". OK.
MP : ~25BB player, had a tough tilt after he lost a couple of all-ins with AA and AK.

So, MP opens 1100. LJ calls. BTN calls. SB folds.

I look at Kh5c. The pot odds are now ~6 : 1! It's super enticing to call and I call.

Flop (12BB) : 5h8hQd

So, my stack size equals to the pot size now and I have 3rd pair and bdfd. I push.

Any comments on this play? Fold pre?

Fold pre. You don't want to play weak offsuited Kx 4-way.
Even if it was a minraise you don't want to get involved in this spot, but the fact that it was a 2.75x raise and you start with 14x would narrow my flatting range even further.

Flop is an easy x/f.

I agree that with normal players it's an easy fold pre, but I have several arguments:

1. 2.75BB raise seemed to be induced by a couple of facts:
a) MP is not very experienced player. I watched his play and made this conclusion and it was confirmed in this hand after he called my all-in and shown 55.
b) MP has the tough tilt

2. A couple of loose players who called this raise don't give a lot of respect to positions, stack sizes, ...they just look at their own cards...They can easily call with T9o and they demonstrated it before..Also, their ranges are capped as they haven't 3-bet. No strong hands there. When they see premium hands pre, they 3-bet.

3. Pot odds. 6:1. It's huge.

4. I have an image of tight player. They probably think that I wouldn't push OTF if I don't have a good hand. I represent top pair, a lot of two pairs, set, fd.

In other words it was an attempt of exploitative play, not the mathematically correct play.

Fold pre. The board is too wet to push into 4 players. You have at best 5 outs against a call, and are even doing poorly against draws that will call you, since they likely have 2 overcards to your 5.

Its still a fold pre. There's a difference between having equity and realizing equity - K5o realizes its equity super poorly and even with the amazing pot odds this is going to be losing far more than winning.

So here's the same hand, as seen by MP.

I'm in the midst of a donkament, with lots of loose play, not much 3-betting before the flop, and plenty of multiway action. It folds to me in MP and I've got 55. WIth antes in the mix, I decide to raise it to 2.7BB and hope for enough action to warrant set-mining. It's a dodgy play, but I'm slightly tilted, so there.

I get three callers, and a dream flop: Qd, 8h 5h. I'm trying to figure out how to build the pot, when to my astonishment, the BB shoves.

He's the table coach, and he's been frowning at our loose, sloppy play. He obviously doesn't have bottom set and his preflop action is inconsistent with QQ. There's a faint chance he's got 88, but I'm putting most of his range at stuff I beat, such as KQ, a heart flush draw or 76. I insta-call, everyone else folds, and we turn over our hands.

He's playing K5 offsuit. Mercy! He does not hit runner-runner Kings and my set is good. Thanks for the chips!

The main reason for shifting the vantage point like this is to showcase the fact that against loose sloppy players, you have almost no folding equity. You're leveling yourself when you think your shove to them represents such strength that they will fold better hands.

They don't fold. That's what makes them loose sloppy players. But it means you can't outplay them by being a bluff-meister.

gottem.

t9o sounds a lot better than k5 here also so....

This is the best response ever. Thanks a lot! One small correction : MP was the first to act, no one folded to him, there were 7 players on the table at that moment.

Players vastly overrate pot odds in a spot like this. OK, so you are putting in 1/7 of the pot so you need 14.3% equity. Plugging in loose ranges for your opponents and taking out premiums for the callers (remember opener can still have premium), you have 18% equity.

So slightly above what you need. BUT, you then have to play the rest of the hand out of position, with a hand that flops like hot garbage, and the fact that stacks aren't deep enough to get that rare 200BB pot against AK on KK5 or against AA on 955 to make up for all the times that we check fold (or jam our stack drawing dead). These factors EASILY outweigh a 4% equity edge on the preflop call. If everyone else was all in for the 1100, call away. With action pending, suuuuuper easy fold.