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The big 55dol- 8bb on sb facing button minraise. The big 55dol- 8bb on sb facing button minraise.

12-08-2011 , 06:29 PM
You are on the sb with A A. We had an argument with a friend, he said this is a spot where calling would be best to get BB to come along. I said it would be better to shove because he will call the all in pretty much 9/10 times because of getting 2 to 1 and these odds would be better than having the possibility of getting the BB to come along and have a bigger pot. One of my arguments was also that getting it in pre flop is a lot more certain than on the later streets because people dont cbet that much on connected flops vs shortstacks.

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saw flop

BB (t16743)
UTG (t4202)
UTG+1 (t12747)
MP1 (t14392)
MP2 (t10480)
MP3 (t11021)
CO (t6703)
Button (t9105)
SB (t2637)

Preflop:
6 folds, Button bets t600

Total pot: t1110

Last edited by Pyha Karu; 12-08-2011 at 06:44 PM.
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12-08-2011 , 06:32 PM
shove
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12-08-2011 , 06:48 PM
"Slightly bigger pot", way to ignore my whole point.
What i mean, is since we are so short stacked, there is an argument of not isolating us here against button and trying to get BB in as well or try to make him isolate me against him. I agree, that it is a shove when we are in the BB or SB with anything else than AA, but with AA I see a point to try to get the BB to come along. And NOT because to get a slightly bigger pot pre, but to give him a chance to hit that flop or try to isolate us pre.
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12-08-2011 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ssnyc
shove
IT`s not enough SSnyc. OP has more complicated question than 'shove or not'

Shoving/folding looks natural for SB at that spot.
If u don`t have drooler`s image, than flatting would be very suspicious for BB.

But I`m unsure if BB would have any choice w 88+/AQ+ but squeeze 3bet us.
Then if button shove over 3bet or call BB shove it will be great.

Villain dependent I think.
Readless flat could be better vs LAGs in BTN and BB positions.
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12-08-2011 , 07:05 PM
it is that simple unless we have a credible image as a drooler who will flat OOP with 8BB...doing anything but shoving seems like a great way to announce our hand and give them a chance to fold their KJ
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12-08-2011 , 07:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ssnyc
it is that simple unless we have a credible image as a drooler who will flat OOP with 8BB...doing anything but shoving seems like a great way to announce our hand and give them a chance to fold their KJ
yea like people actually think in mass field MTT early stages.
Most play according to flops/hands.

especially against a short stack.
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12-08-2011 , 07:14 PM
Good players can use stop n go-s at around 8BB so u cant really put him on a monster.
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12-08-2011 , 07:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ssnyc
it is that simple unless we have a credible image as a drooler who will flat OOP with 8BB...doing anything but shoving seems like a great way to announce our hand and give them a chance to fold their KJ
Would u think its better to make this play if u are on 12-15BB?
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12-08-2011 , 07:41 PM
shove, we will get called by any open(well if not buttons an idiot and we should jam really wide vs him in future)
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12-08-2011 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by gregz41
(well if not buttons an idiot and we should jam really wide vs him in future)
Nah, he`d be ready & prepared for that.
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12-09-2011 , 06:48 AM
dont think he is often folding pre vs you but he might just give up when he does not connect with the board in some way.
i just shove pre and be happy to have AA and not A2s tbh.
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