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BB Defense - Open ended after flop - should I lead out? BB Defense - Open ended after flop - should I lead out?

07-06-2019 , 12:00 AM
Blinds 150/300. I'm in BB with 10,000. Button raises to 600. I call with J9o. Flop comes 10 8 2 rainbow.

My question is should I lead out with the hopes of either building the pot in the event I hit my open ender, or possibly take it down right there, or should I check/call or check/raise (doubt this is the answer). I lead out and took it down, but I'm wondering if that is the "correct play" for my BB defense range.

I'm guessing the answer is the standard "it depends...", which I get, but what is the GTO play there considering it's early in the MTT and there are no ICM implications?

Thanks. Hope this doesn't sound too stupid....
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07-06-2019 , 05:05 AM
You can check raise as well.
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07-06-2019 , 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by nonsimplesimon
You can check raise as well.
Would strongly advise against this. Last thing you want is to deny yourself equity. Example you x/raise get jammed on then have to fold decent equity.



Clear x/call in my opinion. Donking flops is rarely profitable and tough to balance. By x/calling you keep your range wide while protecting your equity. Good rule of thumb is with medium strength draws you don't want to bloat pots. Player pools in mtts both live and online are over cbetting flops and not range aware. By doing this they're coming to turn with too many weak hands and have to check - which you can in turn attack on unfavorable rivers for their range/favorable ones for yours. Hope this makes sense.
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07-07-2019 , 11:15 PM
with this stack depth i usually lean to a check-call line as long he cbet normal size here.
but i do like to mix things up and 15% lead with open ended semi bluffs and to balance that i also lead with sets and twopair as value.
but leading do makes sense on favor board for your hand.
this board is pretty much for both of you because he's pretty wide also,check call and see what devolop.
if you have a tell/guy is a on the nitty side go for check-raise.
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07-08-2019 , 10:31 AM
No don't donk.

~30bb eff against BTN minopen you should be super capped but also still super wide. Even though BTN has a wide range, too, your range is still much, much wider than his and because it's capped your range is gonna be much, much weaker too.

So you actually don't wanna lead a single hand here. What few hands you might think you wanna lead (Tx, 8x, J9, 97, et al.) actually just wanna check to the raiser because your range is so wide and chock full of air that you need every last strong combo to be retained in your check-to-raiser range lest your check-to-raiser range becomes too weak and exploitable.
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07-14-2019 , 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by EggsMcBluffin
No don't donk.

~30bb eff against BTN minopen you should be super capped but also still super wide. Even though BTN has a wide range, too, your range is still much, much wider than his and because it's capped your range is gonna be much, much weaker too.

So you actually don't wanna lead a single hand here. What few hands you might think you wanna lead (Tx, 8x, J9, 97, et al.) actually just wanna check to the raiser because your range is so wide and chock full of air that you need every last strong combo to be retained in your check-to-raiser range lest your check-to-raiser range becomes too weak and exploitable.
Then x/c or x/r ??
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07-14-2019 , 10:38 PM
You flopped really good. There is really no way you can mess up the flop.

check calling has merit. lead betting has merit. Check raising has merit.

Problem with check raising, is you need a plan if 3 bet. He bets $900-$1,500, if your check raise to $3,000 to $4,500 what is your plan if he 3 bets?

Check raising will usually allow to win the most money without hitting your hand, but you are playing for stacks if villian continues.

I like the lead. What did you lead out for? And what was your plan if he raised? Muck? Or play for stacks? If play for stacks was your answer, probably best to check.
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07-15-2019 , 02:57 PM
Check/call is probably best, as you don't want to get raised. If the turn goes check/check and you don't improve, probably bet river as you have little showdown value. If you had a stronger draw, you could lead or checkraise and gii.
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