Fold on river OK?
Villain had previously defended Q6o in BB vs UTG, and led turn (after flop checked through) and check called river with 2nd pair on 765 J 9 runout, so probably is a rec.


PokerStars - 6000/12000 Ante 1800 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 373,628 (VPIP: 28.04, PFR: 23.58, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 108)
SB: 560,722 (VPIP: 17.11, PFR: 16.44, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 76)
BB: 198,984 (VPIP: 13.04, PFR: 10.87, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 46)
UTG: 542,173 (VPIP: 26.47, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 9.52, Hands: 69)
Hero (UTG+1): 615,535
MP: 1,014,654 (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 14.63, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 85)
MP+1: 664,003 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 17.31, 3Bet Preflop: 23.53, Hands: 55)
CO: 594,883 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 15.56, 3Bet Preflop: 13.33, Hands: 46)

8 players post ante of 1,800, SB posts SB 6,000, BB posts BB 12,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 32,400) Hero has 8 9

fold, Hero raises to 24,124, MP calls 24,124, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (80,648, 2 players) 8 K 7
Hero checks, MP bets 24,000, Hero calls 24,000

Turn: (128,648, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, MP checks

River: (128,648, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, MP bets 68,183, fold

Fold pre call now imo. W/o much history and decent 3b%'s behind I'm not a fan of the open. Flush missed we block the straight and need to win a third of the time.

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Defending the BB light and making hero calls river doesn't make you a fish, be carefull with your labelling imo...

Seems close but I want to fold. I expect him to bet bigger his semi bluffs flop, and to barrel turn with them. We don't see a lot of people giving up with air on the turn only to try to rep 4 combos on the river, I feel it's a little bit too elegant of a line as a bluff.

HU I'd bet flop since we can catch a lot of good turns to keep firing and uncaps our range.

As played I kind of want to raise this river (bad?) but not sure if he'd believe us the way the hand was played.

Why aren't we c-betting?

I generally don’t cbet 2nd pair here, I probably should be? What is the plan for brick turns or backdoor flush turns? Do we check call? Turning our hand face up as 1 pair always?

C betting would accomplish a few things. V could fold, you could get value from drawing hands and keeping the aggression up leaves your hand uncapped and is going to keep V guessing. With your line we're the one's really left guessing OTR.

I don't think checking all 3 streets here is good and I think betting the flop is the one that makes the most sense.

Small bet flop large bet turn on to next hand.

As played, weird line but call river.

And I agree with this: Defending the BB light and making hero calls river doesn't make you a fish, be carefull with your labelling imo...

Just to clarify my labelling; from the few hands I had on Villain and notes on 2 other hands he played, V *appeared* to be recreational.

Reasons for betting large on the turn? Better calls/Worse folds?
Are ypu planning on turning hand into a bluff on river if we don't improve?

You’re adding significant fold equity to some decent hand equity and making it very difficult for V to continue with marginal hands including KJ etc. Not barrelling river unless we improve as V may have underrepped flatting flop.

But you are essentially bluffing the turn then as you're trying to fold out KJ?

We’re both building a bigger pot we can win, and denying our opponent the ability to realise his equity.

(Janda chapter 3)

Opponent doesn’t just have KJ in range btw

Pre is fine. The problem with betting flop for me is that this board wraps around MP's call range pretty well so we're going to be very often having to fire multiple barrels and I'd rather be more polar if I'm planning to take that line. For the reason I'd actually prefer to bet less often and bet more if we do, which means we may not always (or even often) want to bet our second pair hands.

So I don't mind the flop check at all, but if we are check/calling flop and we see a half-pot bet on the river, I think we have to call. Especially when we're not blocking spades and blocking T9.

betting flop with this combo is bizarre, you people play weird!