$360 multi flight 200k in SoFL

Still pretty early, a decent player recently sat but I just saw him at an adjacent table when we started so I know he's already on his second bullet. It's a limpy table and he's been raising over limps a fair amount already.

Blinds 75/150-25. One limp, and he raises from MP to 600. A talkative Croatian man calls on the button. I'm in SB with AK and reraise to 2800. They both call. (Limper folded). Good player's call definitely gives me pause there.

I have 25k, good player has 40k, button has 20k.

Flop 752

I still decide to cbet 5600 despite my read. Good player calls. Button folds.

Turn 3
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flop is proly not a cbet, don't see how worse calls or better folds.

As played, good player looks like he has an overpair.. likely 88 - QQ as we pick up more equity with a gutty turn is not a bad spot to barrel and set up river bomb wether we hit or not, hopefully good player will make a disapline laydown early if we miss

I like a turn bet since you picked up a gutshot to be able to potentially barrel river as well. I don't play this high normally so grain of salt etc.

Yeah Im just check folding turn here if your read is good villian has an overpair

I think check/call here is also a reasonable line against a smallish bet. We do have 10 outs to an over pair, though we probably don't have a ton of implied odds, because all our outs are scare cards to 88-QQ.

Well AQ and KQ should hve no problem folding otf.
Check the flop. Why on earth are you 2/3 pot

This deep with a MP raise from a EP limper being OOP with AK I like just flatting here. By raising pre you're probably going to get called more often than not by at least two players and be in a sticky situation playing OOP post flop. I don't mind this early being under repped in the blinds in a multiway pot with AK, I find it allows for much more maneuverability post flop. If the stacks were shallower sure I would advocate a raise pre.

As played, I'm just check-folding flop.

The problem here is your range is probably exactly what it looks like and any thinking player knows it's: AK, AA, KK, QQ, so they can play perfectly against you. Any other hand you're not raising pre, unless you have some history with them already, but I don't see that here. Also, if they have some AA, KK, QQ blockers this doesn't help either.

I think flop bet should be smaller if you bet it. If you bet the turn you should just Jam it. B/f the turn here sucks with your stack size.

I think the big error you made here was betting so large on the flop. A lot of hands that will fold for 5,600 will still fold for 3,000. Then with a smaller bet on the flop you could make a small bet on the turn to try and see the river cheaply or you can c/c a smallish bet.

I think you did the right thing by 3 betting large here. People play so loosey goosey in these mutli-start day re-entry tournaments. You should be trying to get max value on punish these loose players.

Don't try to win every hand. Just check here and fold to anything other than an underbet. Hope you get a free card to an ace or a king, but otherwise, I'd give up.

1) I wouldn't automatically 3 bet AK from the SB there. Typically a MP limp over an EP raise is from a fairly strong range. Granted, I probably would 3 bet often, just not automatically 3 bet.

2) When OOP in a multi-way pot and you miss and the board is horrible for your range and good for a callers range, just check the flop.

3) When I look at the turn and try to determine whether to double barrel, you have to ask how did the turn card change the perceived values of the ranges on the flop? Is the 3 likely to improve your hand value of your range? Can it help your opponent's range? Does it look scary to your opponent's range?

Here, it is unlikely to improve your range, it is unlikely to harm your opponent's range, and it is slightly possible (but a little unlikely) that it may have improved your opponent's hand.

Basically, the 3 does not change much at all. If he called your flop bet and nothing changes with the turn card, what are you expecting him to fold now? If he thought he was ahead on the flop, he will still think it is likely he is ahead.

3-bet with AK OOP is standard here, but I'd play it slightly cautiously because, as noted, you'd expect the MP's range to be somewhat stronger than normal raising over an EP limp.

I think checking flop or betting small are both fine, depending on what you plan to do on this board with your entire range. If you're planning to bet 1/3 pot with all of your overpairs (assuming you're unlikely to have 3-bet with 77/55/22) you're going to want to have some non-paired hands in there as bluffs. Betting more than 1/3-1/2 pot is completely unnecessary.

As played we're in a super-awkward spot on the turn. If we check and our opponent bets small, we'd have ~1/2 pot size bet behind. If we call and hit the A, K or 4, we almost have to bet and there's a decent chance we don't get paid. If we jam turn, the question is whether overpairs (88-QQ specifically) don't just shrug call it off and I think a decent amount of the time they will.

So I like checking turn, intending to fold to a decent-sized bet, with the intention of maybe calling river if turn goes check-check and river bricks, and making a thin river bet if it goes check-check and we hit.

Just because something is standard doesn't necessarily mean it is best. Just look at all the plays that were "standard" when I first starting playing poker which are now considered weak.

By "standard", I mean that we should be doing it the large majority of the time. You can certainly flat with premium hands from time-to-time, but there should be a specific dynamic in play that suggests it's a good idea. Other than randomizing, what would be the factors for suggesting flatting with AK in this situation is better than 3-betting?

It is really based on the MP raise over a limp range. Some players have only what would be a standard EP tightish range to raise over a limp.

With the stacks this deep, you really can't bet them out of the pot, so we are very likely to go to a multi-way pot OOP. Calling is more of a pot control line.

It was basically Jonathan that taught me that I don't always have to 3 bet with AK.

Now I'm in no way saying that 3 betting is wrong here. All I am suggesting is that hero does not "have" to 3 bet just because he has AK. In fact, I would suggest that the worse the player that hero is playing post flop poker, the more likely he should be to 3 bet.

What do you mean by "obvious" turns?

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