Late in tourney, small blind and big blind each have 10 big blinds.

He is way beter than me.

small blind big blind confrontation.

Late in a tournament.

If the small blind limps, should you shove k-2?

I say yes. He says it is a spewtard move. Claims lot of people are limping aces in that spot (from small blind) and that there is a ton of equity of outplaying with that hand, even that shallow.

says fold equity not as good as I think, when I can outplay them on flop on a variety of boards.

be very interested what PIO says.

Depends on how your human opponent is playing. Depends on antes. Depends on ICM. Depends on basically everything.

FWIW your brother’s arguments don’t make too much sense. If SB is super strong here, how do we expect to “outplay” him after the flop?

Not worth going through the trouble of solving IMO. If your opponent is playing a perfect strategy with balanced limps and jams, it’s likely a jam. But most human opponents are super unbalanced here since it’s much simpler (and similar in EV) to use a jamming strategy this shallow.

Brother figures you check behind and usually win on any flop when they check and you bet 1.5 bigs: feels it is stupid spewtard move to ship with k 2

His general attitude is why shove with garbage when I can usually win a pot with garbage on later streets with less risk. My viewpoint is you can take it down and are ahead of most of their range. He is more accomplished than me. I say he turns k 2 into 9 4, he says there’s really no difference.

The main difference is, by checking you’re allowing your opponent to realize some of their equity. By jamming, you’re guaranteeing that you’ll realize your equity and preventing them from realizing a portion of theirs. K2 does not “turn into 94” because you have better raw equity when called and from removal effects there are less calling hands in SB’s range.

Think about it this way:
Say your opponent’s limping range has 55% equity (including some traps) vs your checking range. You’ll win a little bit more than 45% theoretically because of position. Your EV > .45 * (2+antes). If you jam, your equity when called will be much worse, maybe only 35%, but you pick up the antes a lot. EV = -10 + .35(20 + antes)*Pcalled + (1 - Pcalled)(2 + antes)

Hopefully from this you can see that, again, it depends heavily on all the things I said. You can’t answer it without them. It will also depend how passively your opponent plays postflop if you decide to check.

OP,

The answer for me is it depends, but I agree with you. Is there an ante involved? To say that people limp with Aces is irrelevant because how often do people get Aces in the sb and it be folded to them? Not very many players play tricky. What he is saying has merit , but I think what OP is more optimal. If sb limps, you go from having a 9 bb stack to having a 12 BB stack. a 33% increase when you shove and sb folds (which will happen most of the time).

This spot is solved already

If it’s solved what is answer? Since it is solved, my brother says any good player is now limping any ace in small blind.

Think you are missing the intricacies Of his point. Good players now limp small blind big blind in this spot with 100 percent of their range anticipating a big blind fire. I say who cares ship the k 2 anyway. He says, don’t be a spewtard. Wait for them to check and bet small on the flop. Hence the difference between k 2 and 9 4.

Check behind and bet 1BB on all flops if checked to

Would you rather risk 1BB to win 2BB, or 10BB ?

Betting 10bb gives us a HUGE amount more fe than when we bet 1bb. Though I do feel it's better to shove a more polarised range in this spot

I'm checking back if its the first time.

And taking a stab on the flop if checked to.

But if there is a pattern of SB never folding and sometimes raising, I might at some point shove K2o.

I’ve found that the difference in FE is less than I expected.

The majority of players in a standard live field play fit or fold poker most of the time. Given that they miss the flop 2/3 of the time, we are (in very rough numbers) quite likely to win post with a 1BB flop bet if such an opponent checks to us. Sure there are arguments to bet 1.5bb for a little extra fold equity against some opponents.

Even if the opponent is not fit fold and is more likely to cc the flop, then we’re still in good shape with a 1BB bet in position. We access both the turn and river for the smallest investment. So if our opponent does hit and decides to cc flop we give ourselves the maximum chance to improve.

If we shove 10BB in the BB we give up a massive advantage in post flop BvB play. We also walk into a trap against stronger hands which is an immediate -3bb or worse EV penalty eg K2 v Kx, K2 v AX, K2 v pp. in fact K2 is about the worse hand I can think of if called.

And SB trapping range is immediately made weaker once the flop comes. V might happily cjam pre with TT, but cc cf or even cf on a QJ3r to your 1BB bet otf.

Finally, don’t underestimate how compelling your story is. 1BB will appear to be for value every time. Opponents looking for weakness won’t see any.

For me this is a no brainer check back and bet 1BB if checked to.

You can find the answer your self on like 5 minutes of research online

And also no Ones really limping many of the ax vs the 10bb stack

Compelling argument imo, apart from what I've bolded because I personally would see the 1bb bet for what it usually is - a cheap attempt to steal the pot. But this may be because of my experience with Eggs and his 1bb argument, whereas the average V may see this as value. I often get folds otf when betting 1/4 pot for value so I see what you're saying

Ez check back and bet 1/2 pot on the flop when checked töö this might actually have MÖRE fold equity lol

Well the guy has been here more than that and still we haven’t found it,why so secretive ?