In the money of large field, 700 players left out of 23000
3 bet % villain= 10 % based on 170 hands
Am I right that it's either all in or fold in this spot?

PokerStars, $9.80 + $1.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 6,000/12,000 (1,200 ante) - 9 players
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UTG: 216,032 (18 bb)
UTG+1: 178,943 (15 bb)
MP: 299,257 (25 bb)
MP+1: 380,236 (32 bb)
LP: 1,232,368 (103 bb)
CO: 158,365 (13 bb)
BU: 143,531 (12 bb)
SB (Hero): 331,791 (28 bb)
BB: 344,388 (29 bb)

Pre-Flop: (28,800) Hero is SB with Q♠ A♠
2 players fold, MP raises to 24,000, 1 fold, LP 3-bets to 72,000, 2 players fold, Hero 4-bets to 330,591 (all-in), 2 players fold, LP calls 258,591

Flop: (707,982) 7♠ T♦ 4♣ (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (707,982) 2♠ (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (707,982) K♥ (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: 707,982

Showdown:
SB (Hero) shows Q♠ A♠ (high card, Ace)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 46%, Flop: 4%, Turn: 16%, River: 0%)

LP shows T♥ T♠ (three of a kind, Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 54%, Flop: 96%, Turn: 84%, River: 100%)

LP wins 707,982

Interesting option re: flat. If it gets back around to MP and he flats (coz pot odds), then you're dominating MP Ax and Qx range e.g. KQ AJ AT. on the right flop, he's never folding and this is a potentially huge chip up. flatting also has the advantage of seeing three without committing your entire stack.

on the - side, if you flat and MP jams JJ- AJ- and you fold to the 2 x all-ins, then it's a bit of an EV disaster. however your range should be uber strong and avoid flights of fancy. I think you'll see a lot of MP flats, and if he jams it's AK/JJ+

Summary: I'm flatting to bring dominated MP range into the hand

Agaist 3b LPvsMP I'm 4betting all day long here for 28bb. AQs plays well post but playing OOP vs 2 guys isn't good idea.

I think we're a little too shallow to be flatting a hand this strong. At 50BB I can see occasionally mixing in some flats and 4-bets with AQs, but sub 30BB we don't want to be playing hands like this OOP at an SPR that'll be likely less than 2.

Why are we worried about position? we have a binary decision post. we either flop a gii hand or we don’t.

Will those flop gii hands always be turn or river gii hands? Because I don't expect a good 3bettor to make betting mistakes v AQ on Axx or Qxx after getting cold called by OOP 28bb eff.

With the sole exception of a Qxx flop followed by a K turn...yes

For that reason I don’t believe position is particularly important in this hand and this makes a flat OOP viable

Imo

With AQs in particular, our hand benefits from seeing all five cards versus likely calling range of villain(s). I'd really hate to flat here and give up on low card boards where we could still easily have 25% equity. 4-betting also likely knocks out the MP player and if we're folding any of his low-to-mid pocket pairs and KJ/KT/JT broadways that would otherwise call a 3-bet that's a win.

If we think HJ's range here is pretty nutted vs. MP open (i.e., MP is opening tight so HJ is acting accordingly) that's actually a better reason to consider folding here rather than calling. But we'd have to really believe MP and/or HJ is nitty to consider it.

Sure our hand benefits from seeing all five cards, but I’d rather see three st 5BB cost than five at 30BB.

It’s difficult to weigh the relative value of the pros/cons of flatting and jamming, but it’s worth considering the flat here at leaast. There is
1. The lower preflop cost,
2. potential value from a dominated V1,
3. the ability to fold to V1 V2 jams,
4. Axx and Qxx flops provide robust equity post that largely negates positional disadvantage
5. Knocking out Kx and Jx V1 hands doesn’t achieve much if we already need to improve to beat V2 3/c range

PIO may prove me completely wrong on this, but intuitively AQ flat seems viable.

shove pre.