Local casino $50 buy in 28 paid 43 left.

V 70bb: UTG opens to 2.5bb
H 30bb: CO AQ hearts. I decided to flat here because I wasn't that deep, and there were some weak players behind who were prone to bluffing multi way. in retrospect a 3bet feels better. I would've liked to have the betting lead in this hand based on outcome.

F: As Kc Js 7.5bb pot
I hated this flop because I didn't narrow his range with a 3bet, so all I'm doing is staring at that Ak on board thinking he has 2 pair.
Villain bets ~5bb hero calls

T: 9c ~18bb pot
villain bets ~13bb
I lost track of the actual bet sizings but I know after I counted out the call I had <10bb. with the 2 flushdraws on board and the AK staring me in the face and all my previous mistakes in consideration I fold the turn.


I got him back next hand his flopped straight loses to my flush-draw turn jam getting there. I asked him about the previous hand and he said he had ATc.

Seems too nitty pre. I'm ok flatting flop as a trap but jamming turn. Flatting flop and folding turn with TPTK here isn't in my playbook.

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[QUOTE=SHIP_DAT;54828755]Seems too nitty pre. I'm ok flatting flop as a trap but jamming turn. Flatting flop and folding turn with TPTK here isn't in my playbook.



The only person I feel like I trapped is myself by not 3 betting pre. and yeah the shove was in my head the whole time but I played this tourney for the min cash 100% and I got what I deserved

Flatting pre is never smart with a premium hand. Raise between 2-4 bb. You will know where you are at if he calls or re raises

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There are times to flat AQs pre, but this isn't one of them. You are far from the $$$ and need to push your advantages.

Have no problem with the flat.

It's extremely difficult for a sensible UTG range to have intuitive bluffs on this board so actually I dont hate the fold as much as I want to in a vacuum. Vital that you identify players capable of overvaluing worse, or those who recklessly barrel any pair because 'I has flush draw'.

This is a particularly nasty board, means several dominated preflop hands improved to beat you, thats whats staring you in the face not AK. Forget about trying to get away from AK if you choose to flat off 30bb on cleaner Axx boards.

I usually flat with AQs in position here. Unless UTG is opening a lot especially in EP.

We have a few choices here. We can jam the flop. I'm OK with just calling.

But on the turn, just get it in. I think he can have AK/AJ a bit. He can also have either flush draw and a pair. And its a $50 tourney where people bluff a lot. And we started the hand with only 30 bb's.

Put another way, I'm not calling the flop because I'm afraid we are behind and I'm hoping villain is going to check the turn. I'm calling the flop because I want to get it in and I want villain to think I can have a flush draw, a gutter, a single pair, I'm floating, etc. I'm deliberately keeping my range wide so villain will continue to bluff or value bet light. I'm guessing that in a $50 tourney we get some EP raises with Ax where x can be fairly small. Especially when suited.

pre flat is good in my opinion as 3bet fold and 3bet call both suck.
Probably sigh jam turn in a 50 buck donkament with emergency nut outs

I'm OK with the flat pre and flop, but jamming turn. tbh i don't mind just calling this down to keep all worse Ax in, but there are too many hands he sigh calls at this SPR if you jam turn.

3bet is fine too obv. Just don't fold ever after this flop.

Pre is totally fine and may be optimal. This is the specific case of facing an UTG open, and without any reads we don't really need that many 3bets here.

Flatting keeps all worse hands in his range, 3betting does not. Flatting also keeps the pot smaller which increases playability, which is a good thing when we have relative position facing a presumably strong range. We're not exactly afraid of BTN or blinds flatting behind or squeezing because we have a sweet hand in case either of those things happen. If we have a read V is spewy and will call 3bets pre with AJo or KTs or similar, then 3bet is good, but without that info flatting is fine.

AP it's really defeatist to be afraid of AK. It sounds like you hate one of the better flops for your hand. I acknowledge you're beat sometimes, but you heavily block the hands that beat you.

In a vacuum, don't fold turn with so many chops and worse hands potentially out there including AQs, AQo, ATs, ATo, A8s and worse, KQs, KQo, KTs, QcJc, weak FDs, and air. If you pick up on a live read, or have some reason to think V is a nit who'll never bluff or overvalue on this texture, only then does folding becomes an option.

I don't mind a flat here preflop. Normally I 3 bet, but flatting is fine.

Flop, obv you are going to call. You aren't going to fold TPTK to a standard C'bet headsup.

Turn is a bit of an interesting spot IMO. Because how often are players betting worse than 1 pair on this board. Would a villain bet AT/A8 etc? We know the results which kind of sucks and biased us.

I think there is also the possibility that the villain can have KcXc (KTc, KQc, ATc) or some other draw that picked up more equity on the turn T8s/T8c, etc.. I think if this is a younger player, its a shove and if it's an older nit, I don't hate a fold (although, I am still closer to a shove than a fold).

Mostly 3-bet vs. most standard UTG opens at 30BB. Our hand is simply too strong to play in a passive manner. If we get 4-bet jammed it'll be close but I think we generally can call off against good players, and if villain folds any pocket pairs that's an amazing result. If villain is particularly tight and nitty then I like flat more. We have other hands (weaker Ax, suited broadways, etc.) we can flat with.

As played I think we need to be in call down mode. We have one of the best hands in our range considering we didn't 3-bet pre, we block 2p Ax hands and villain can absolutely value bet worse at these effective stacks, like AT and A8 for sure.

I disagree with the bolded part.
Most villains are not going to be betting A8 or AT on this board at these stacks without a flush draw to go with it. Most villains will be in c/c mode on the turn. Betting A8 is super spewy and it's much less likely that A8 is going to be opened UTG. A lot of villains don't open ATo UTG.

The idea isn't that villains always value bet worse Ax, but that they can do that at some frequency. As a general rule, if it is plausible for a villain to value bet a worse hand, we should consider calling.

Its a 10k guarantee
135 players 28 get paid $200 and there is 3.5k to first. when do I start considering the money? when do I start taking the bubble into account?

Imo around 35 left. If we start worrying about it early we're going to struggle to put ourselves in a position to win it.

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its been a big leak for me for basically since this day i've been spewing in middle stages trying to apply ICM pressure that doesn't exist.

Flatting pre is good. If im calling flop then I’m getting it all in on the turn, but as somebody said previously, this is a horrible board so I wouldn’t blame you at all for folding flop. The fact that he had AT is completely irrelevant