Live $150 buy-in tournament. Blinds are 1k-2k with a 400 ante. We are 10 handed.

Hero is UTG with TT. Raises to 5k. Folds to villain in the big blind, who calls.

Effective stack size is hero's 46k. Villain has about 110k, plays a lot of lands and is very passive. Just lost a sizable pot a couple of hands before and is upset about it.

Flop is 579 rainbow. Villain checks.

I think about betting 10k but decide to shove instead. My thinking is that villain's preflop range is really wide, that he may call light, and that it eliminates any turn bluffs from the villain on difficult turns.

My questions are two fold:
1.) Is shove the right play or should I have bet 10-15k instead?
2.) If I do put in a bet of 2/3 to full pot is there anyway I can lay this down if the villain shoves?

Seems like a massive overbet to jam it in. I'm seeing a lot of people advocate for that in spots and I don't really understand why.

I'd bet about 8K. Get value from his pairs and I think it could induce a spazz shove from villain as well. If he jams over the top, easy call.

I'm not really worried about turn bluffs. You said villain is passive, so I doubt he's the type to float wide and jam turn cards that suck for us. so if a bad turn card and he does jam, we can comfortably fold.

I definitely see that point. I worry that I am making a lot of mistakes on the flop in order avoid difficult turn/river decisions with relatively shallow stacks (in this situation I have right around 20bb after my preflop bet,) and I do tend to overbet flops relatively often.

What's your logic behind overbetting?

The larger you bet, the more you narrow the range of hands Villain can call you with. So overbetting only really makes sense when you're relatively insensitive to the strength of your opponent's hand, which makes sense when you have a really polarized range that's either good or not or if you have a really strong draw that has about the same amount of equity no matter what your opponent calls with.

In this situation, how wide your opponent calls matters a lot. If you bet so large to price out weaker one-pair hands, you're only going to get called by hands that have you crushed like 2-pair+. If you bet a normal amount, you can get called by plenty of hands that you're in very good shape against.

If we were against a trickier player and we were nervous about getting played back at a lot, checking back is a much better way to adjust than overbetting. Although here, I think your hand is way too strong to worry about that.

This is a pretty face up overbet from a rec imo, I mean no offense by that. Vs. Unknown general population this is tough with 99-JJ, otherwise I am playing you perfectly. Stick in like a 3/4 bet. A 2/3 to 3/4 on good turns and smaller on bad turns. Check back a lot of rivers.

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There's 15K in pot and we have lot 40K behind. If we bet flop and turn, we're checking back rivers because we won't have any money left.

You are making sense polo except you are coming from the perspective of an experienced player . OP seems to be a self aware rec looking to minimise his mistakes /prevent better players from outplaying him

Also .....over shoving can make a tonne of sense here if villains calling range is wide enough. This is the missing part of information . If we know enough to know he plays a wide range we should also know how sticky he is and how this stickiness is affected by his current mindset. If villain is calling any pair and maybe even some funky stuff like draws we should shove right

You are close on your read of me. I am a very experienced cash game player who has made the switch to tournaments for a number of reasons lately. In a lot of cases I am asking questions here not because I don't know (or have a good idea) of the answer(s) but because discussing them with other people helps me formulate my own thoughts.

I think, particularly in my last few tournaments, I have been overbetting because in the previous couple events I found myself laying down a lot of hands on the turn and river that I didn't feel 100% comfortable laying down. My results have dipped in my last few tournaments and that could be sample size or it could be because of a poor strategy change. I think it is a little of both.

I agree with a lot of what polo is saying, and some of what you are saying (particularly around the the potential stickiness of the villain.) Stepping back from this specific hand though and the reasoning behind value betting as opposed to shoving in this spot (which as polo says narrows the hands my opponent is likely to call with,) I think one of my problems lately is that in the midstage of the tournaments I am not giving my opponents the chance to tell me they have a better hand than I do. In this specific case I am not sure I could have gotten off the hand as betting and then folding to a shove would have been hard but I might have minimized the damage and lived to fight another hand.
From a more general strategic/philosophical point of view I am coming to the conclusion that I need to find a way to do that without it being exploitable by an observant opponent.

Bet/folding TT on a 9 hi board with 20 BB would be atrocious. Just bet normally, and if he has it, he has it.

Certain hands are strong enough that you can't fold given the pot and stack size. This is one. So when we have that situation, we are no longer concerned with the part of villain's range that beats us (given we aren't folding, we should presume villain likewise isn't folding anything that beats us). So now we have to maximize what we get out of the range we beat. If villain has a hand like 88 or 66, he might (likely will) call a normal bet, but may fold to this jam unless he just decides you're jamming AK in a panic.

By jamming, he calls everything that beats us, and folds most everything we beat, which is the worst case outcome.

^^ Agreed on just playing this normally. If they have a set we're beat, it's unlikely the have an overpair and it's likely they have one pair hands that may call or even check-shove. If we shove as has already been mentioned we're only getting called by better and given your position in the hand with your early open if you shoved and I had a 9 I would probably fold because your hand is too face up. This is not the case if you just made a normal bet because most will call you with top and even middle pairs. If they have a set or float the flop and hit the turn we can still get out of the hand with a normal sized bet.

Obviously there are major differences between cash game and tournament play. Some might say it takes a different type of player, or at least a different approach, to find success in the different forms of the game. Just look at Helmuth versus Leatherass. Helmuth has 15 bracelets and millions in tournament winnings but is a cash game fish. Leatherass, a cash game wizz who tries to sell his book by mocking Helmuths play in the title, has less than $30k in tournament cashes to his name. Even I have more than that.

Probably the biggest factor for you to deal with in the early stages of your transition will be dealing with short stack play. During your cash game play, it is probably rare for you to be sitting behind less than 50, less than 40, maybe less than 30 BB's for hand after hand after hand. But in tournaments it is pretty standard to be in that state: often by the time you get the endgame the biggest stacks in play are under 50 BB's and the average stack even less.

I'm sorry I'm not addressing the hand exactly but instead just saying that to ease your transition, I would give you two pieces of advice: you need to get a good push/fold chart and study it until you understand the concept. It is a useful tool anytime you have less than 20 BB's, and it will help you understand when you should and should not be pushing. And more importantly, you need to become comfortable with playing a short stack.

You actually have a lot of flexibility and can make plenty of moves with 25 or 30 BB's in your stack. The problem with overbetting the pot like this is that, as the youngsters would put it, it polarizes your range. An old codger like me might say your hand is pretty face up when you make this play. And if you are playing face up, eventually someone is going to say, "Hey, my hand is better than his," and knock you out.