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Old 03-25-2019, 06:19 AM   #1
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Any use on continuing bluff on the river ?

Scoop Equinoxe on PS.fr 250e. Table is 6 handed and we are in the first levels of the tournament.

Blinds are 200 400, 50 ante.

V1 has 90k
V2 70k
Hero 50k

V1 is HJ and raise to 960, V2 in SB calls, hero in BB picks up AcQc and makes it 4,2k and get 2 calls.

Flop is 2 4 7 r with one club (pot ~13k).
V2 c, Hero bets 6k, V1 calls, V2 folds.

Turn is Kh (brings no FD). (pot ~25k) Hero sees it as the perfect card to continue bluffing (objective would be to fold all pp that didn't make a set and that didn't slowplay pre).
Hero bets 11k, V2 c

River brings a brick (pot ~47k) and we have ~30k left.

Question : any point in continuing the bluff ? Are there still hands in villain's range that'd fold to a last bet ?
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Old 03-25-2019, 08:07 AM   #2
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Re: Any use on continuing bluff on the river ?

Edit : question : ... is it worth it ?
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Old 03-25-2019, 12:38 PM   #3
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Re: Any use on continuing bluff on the river ?

Just as a point of clarification, is it the hijack that called flop and turn, or the small blind?
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Old 03-25-2019, 12:45 PM   #4
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Re: Any use on continuing bluff on the river ?

You are right sorry, I confused villains. It is hijack that called flop and turn
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Old 03-25-2019, 02:05 PM   #5
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Re: Any use on continuing bluff on the river ?

I tend to want to check flop here multi-way, looking to possibly check/call once. If we are betting something more like 4-5K makes sense as this range shouldn't really hit the SB or HJ ranges that hard either.

I'm kinda meh on the turn bet. I think if we're trying to get villain's 88-JJ-type hands to fold we probably need to empty the clip on the river because I can't imagine those fold turn very often. I guess I'm wondering how often we want to bet this turn and what our range should be when we bet. (especially what we want our bluffs to be)
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Old 03-25-2019, 02:09 PM   #6
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Re: Any use on continuing bluff on the river ?

Don't bluff the river!!

As you said the K in the turn was a perfect scare card to second barrel... Villian did not fold; he can have AK,KQ, 22, 44, 77 and as you said any pocket pair... If he did not let go that pocket pair in your flop and turn bets, sure he is going all the way and pay your river bet.

I like the way you double barrel in this hand, but I think sizing could be better. I think smaller bet in the flop (4-5K) and larger bet in the turn ( about 2/3 or 3/4 of pot
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Old 03-26-2019, 05:25 AM   #7
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Re: Any use on continuing bluff on the river ?

Did make the spew bluff river and was shown AKs.

As mentinned by metalrenas, I still like flop and turn bets (sizing I guess could also have been better as said by metalrenas).

My thought process was : OTF, I did hesitate between check back flop and bet, I chose the second option as I had a club OTT and I would have been able to continue the aggression on many turns (A, Q and clubs).
OTT as said by metalrenas, it is the perfect scare card, as the only bluff hand I still have in my range is actually the hand I had and all pp <JJ should have folded by then. Even if some people can still be sticky with 88-JJ. Being readless on V, I guess we have to go from the principle that a good majority of the players won't which makes the river a clear check (and I guess even a fold if an A hits the river as at this point V's range is filled with sets that gently awaits a delivery from me and AK).
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Old 03-26-2019, 08:10 AM   #8
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Re: Any use on continuing bluff on the river ?

Check raise turn
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Old 03-26-2019, 04:48 PM   #9
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Re: Any use on continuing bluff on the river ?

Hand is played well up till river

OTR our value range is mostly AA, AK, and KQ and our air is mostly AQ and some rare combos of AJ, A5, A4; pocket pairs lower than AA (yes, including KK) and all else really (our range isn't much wider than 99+, AJs+, AQo, A4s-A5s anyway) almost always should be checking turn. So in the long run we're gonna be extracting plenty of EV from this spot by virture of having so much AA, AK and KQ


As for V, he can have most AK and also KQ, KJ, and KT depending on how wide he floats, but even if he doesn't float those hands OTF he's still got 88-QQ that will, at varying frequencies, need to be calling river, though obviously we'll get lots of fold from those hands as well. We may also fold him off a chop or just get a hand like AJ to fold that could otherwise bluff us OTR.

Net result is, honestly, flip a coin, it's basically 50/50, neither bluffing nor checking are any different in terms of EV (they're both about breakeven), and we can rest easy knowing that we've sort of run pretty bad being this far down in our range on this runout and given the previous streets' action and most of the time, we're gonna arrive at the river having it when we take this line.
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