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03-12-2018 , 10:04 AM
Hi Guys

Buy-in: 240 $
Startstack: 30`000
Starter: 60

After 5 hours reaching the final table with pricepool of 12 000 $. Six places were payed.

Startet the final table short stacked with 125 000 chips.
SB: 3000
BB: 6000
Ante: 6000

After 2 rounds of no playable hand getting Q 10 in the Big Blind.

UTG (Big Stack - 350 000) raises to 22 000 and eveyone folds.

UTG has raised every hand when I was in the BB. I was pretty sure he`s opening to wide.

I decided to defend my BB and call, with a hand that can hit the flop well and getting the right pod odds.

Flop:
3 10 7

I hit top pair with a strong kicker and a backdoor flushdraw. I decided to shuff my remaining stack of 70 000 chips.

UTG snap calls with A 10

No help on river and turn and drop out one place before bubble.

I do not know how I could have played the hand differently, without all my chips going in the middle?
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03-12-2018 , 10:11 AM
I'd prefer to check/shove this flop rather than lead shove. You get a lot more action from worse hands that way.
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03-12-2018 , 10:17 AM
I think I'd much rather shove over his open if you honestly believe that he's opening too wide than just call and play a pot oop against someone that can pressure me (wish I could take my own advice on this ). I think V would have a real decision with A10 about whether to call your shove pre (~20 BB) but I think its probably a call.

I think the moment you decided to play this hand against V's hand specifically your fate was sealed. I still think a shove is better than a call pre tho.
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03-12-2018 , 10:23 AM
The big blind is 6000 and the ante is also 6000? Is that right?

Calling pre isn't good with your stack size. If you think he's raising light (and he probably is) then you should jam preflop. It's impossible to outplay someone by flatting out of the blinds as shallow as you are in the long run. I think calling is actually the worst option of the three.

I don't like the flop play either. By open jamming the flop you take all of his c-bet bluffs out of his range and make it very easy for him to play against you.

Lastly, don't include results in the OP. It biases responses, although your mistakes were pretty clear in this hand.
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03-12-2018 , 12:02 PM
Thanks for your anwsers!

But jamming with Q10s you allways will be dominated by hands like AQ, KQ or QJ.

On a 10 high flop these hands probably wont call a jam.

Also hands like AK, AJ, 99, 88, 77, 66, 55, 44, 33, 22 who call a jam preflop with a big stack probably would fold on the flop.

Next time in this situation, I will fold and wait for A10+ or pocket to jam.
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03-12-2018 , 12:56 PM
Right, but you can't decide what's the best play preflop based on what comes on the flop, since you don't have that info when making the preflop decision.

Also notice that all those hands that are folding the flop are the hands we beat. When we jam this pot for well over a pot-sized bet, we are just folding out his weak hands, and getting stacked when we are beaten.
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03-12-2018 , 02:06 PM
Flat pre is fine if the ante is actually 6K, if not this is pretty close to a fold vs. ~3.5x UTG opens unless this particular villain has been out of line.

As played this is a clear c/r shove on flop, it it goes check/check I might even consider checking turn to try to get villain to stab.
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03-15-2018 , 05:12 PM
If we call preflop with hand that is not AA, our plan is to make the best of our good flops. We can't punish villains aggression by winning their opening raise when we hit good hand one third of the flops. Villain will then win 2/3 of pots and also occasionally win versus our flop shove by having a better hand so situation is still clearly great for villain. Villain made big bet preflop assuming ante is 600 so folding is standard preflop even with a pretty hand like this, but if villain seems very loose you still need to win more whenever you make top pair. Villains looseness is irrelevant if you don't allow villain to lose chips after you make your hand, since whenever you don't flop good draw or pair villain will steal the pot regardless of their preflop hand.
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