PokerStars - 30/60 Ante 8 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 69.55 BB (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 31.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
SB: 86.85 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 2)
BB: 70.62 BB (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
UTG: 86 BB (VPIP: 24.00, PFR: 16.33, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 50)
UTG+1: 98.58 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 6)
MP: 81.8 BB (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 16)
MP+1: 76.23 BB (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
Hero (CO): 96.97 BB

8 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.57 BB) Hero has A K

UTG raises to 2.2 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 6.67 BB, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 4.47 BB

Flop: (15.9 BB, 2 players) J 4 9
UTG checks, Hero bets 16.67 BB, UTG calls 16.67 BB

Turn: (49.23 BB, 2 players) 4
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: (49.23 BB, 2 players) 8
UTG checks, Hero checks

UTG shows K J (Two Pair, Jacks and Fours)
(Pre 29%, Flop 54%, Turn 75%)
Hero mucks A K (One Pair, Fours)
(Pre 71%, Flop 46%, Turn 25%)
UTG wins 49.23 BB

A couple of questions:
- is the flop bet OK? The aim is to fold out hands like TT, 88, 77 and AXs.
- the turn seems to be hopeless. I thought no reason to bet because V is not gonna fold anything that he called the flop with, so I just checked and hoped for the best. Is it correct decision?

does betting 10bb otf not accomplish the same things?

Thanks, I really like this style of communication!

im assuming thats sarcasm but i dont care enough so gl

No, no sarcasm. I am serious. It's one of the greatest techniques in communication - asking a leading question that allows someone to figure out the problem for themselves instead of havingit thrown in their face - and I like to see it here on 2+2 forums!

cant edit my response but fair enough, anyway, if having nfd + 2 overs ott 90bb deep is hopeless, you're gonna be in trouble a lot. and if your goal is to fold out those types of hands, consider the ones left that are calling you

By hopeless I rather mean the situation on the turn and river where I have no showdown value and V is not gonna fold after he called OTF. The flop looks awesome of course :-0)

Flop bet is way too big . No need for that because what happens is you get called (or raised ) by hands that are at least flipping with you like AJ KJs JJ 99 QQ slowplayed KK and AA) and he folds pretty much everything else . So yeh you get a result against 77 and 88 for a small pot but that's not really great considering the potential your hand has and considering the times you get stacks in against a set of 9s or Js or QQ+. You're better off playing this slowly , probably check the flop and take it from there . You don't want to go all out trying to win the relatively small pot on the flop when you can potentially win much bigger pots by hitting your flush or pairing your ace etc and ofc you often can win at showdown just with your AK high anyway

As played , yeh you just have to check turn and river on that runout

I agree that the flop bet is a little big. The smaller flop bet accomplishes the samething.

I would play it like you did most of the time. We should bet the turn some % of the time to mix it up.

I do think villain will fold pocket pairs <J some % of the time to a turn bet. The other advantage of a turn bet is it allows us to get a bigger bet in on the river when we hit (though the too-big flop bet kind of already did that).

Somewhat villain-dependent on whether or not to fire the turn.

Not saying a small overbet isn't warranted but it would have to be very infrequently used.

A general rule/guideline would be the greater ur RANGE advantage is the bigger u can size. If u use reasonable/std preflop ranges u will see that IP/3bettor has a significant range adv here otf but it isn't big enuf to O/B.

Although u can discount AA and KK and some QQ combos OOP still has every set and combo draws like QTdd and 87dd.

As played, plan should be to barrel most turns, with the exception of board-pairing cards (Jx and 9x)...4x isn't good either but can mix. River plan is to give up unimproved as this is a bad bluff combo, so dont hate this line at all.

Bet smaller on flop and please bet the turn. Why are you checking the turn? This is a perfect board to bet 2 streets. I’m always betting flop and turn here.

If you're not gonna barrel off then just check the flop. I'm not sure about overbetting, but seems like if that's ur flop plan then jamming turn is mandatory. I don't mind either flop play though.

Can he really barrel this turn after overbetting flop? Would have thought villains range has over-narrowed.

I bet the turn because after V called pre 3-bet and that gigantic c-bet, his range seems to be like AJs+,KJs,QJs,AJo+,KJo,QJo,99+ and all these hands are going to call the bet and versus them my hands is not even a coin flip....So, why would you bet the turn here? :-)

I think it’s better to error on aggressive play vs passive. You can get folds from better hands when you double barrel turn. You have many outs and you can bluff river if you decide to on the right card. Also build a pot when you bink a diamond on the river.

I’m not saying it’s necessarily optimal and your play as cards are shown is good. I just like taking more aggressive lines with hands like listed.

Btw your flop bet sizing is goofy. You rarily will be called by worse hands here. Bet 10bbs on flop and bet turn is what I am feeling.

You think he's calling JX after we over pot then jam turn? Maybe AJ. I think we get enough folds to jam.

10bbs flop , pot turn , jam most rivers ( not the 8 tho ). do that with JJ+ and mix in those diamonds you have and you ll be fine. we're also blocking most obvious calling down hands AJs KJs so I like triple barrel even more.

Yes, i agree with Noma:

as said, imho the optimal regarding that type of line would be:

Bet big but still less than a psb on flop: 8-11bb
Continue on non paired board turn: 80-100% psb ott
Jam or give up otr depending on the nature of the r card
(knowing v tendencies could be a good thing lol as this line would not always be the best vs some precise type of V)

Beware of your timing tell as playing too fast could reveal your type of hand

Thanks guys, I am eager to apply the suggested line at the first occasion :-)