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09-30-2017 , 08:45 PM

wowsooooted

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Hi v was v was 30/23/17 after 50 hands. Pretty weird hand all round I think I made a mistake betting the turn.. as I don't get value from much of his 3b range. Size up pre? What's everyone's line here?

Poker Stars, $20 Buy-in (50/100 blinds, 12 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37840085

SB: 4,356 (43.6 bb)
BB: 6,418 (64.2 bb)
Hero (UTG+1): 17,304 (173 bb)
UTG+2: 5,196 (52 bb)
MP1: 4,964 (49.6 bb)
MP2: 4,867 (48.7 bb)
MP3: 3,599 (36 bb)
CO: 7,704 (77 bb)
BTN: 4,266 (42.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K

Hero raises to 220, 7 folds, BB raises to 750, Hero calls 530

Flop: (1,658) 6

(2 players)
BB bets 547, Hero calls 547

Turn: (2,752) 6

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 1,108, BB calls 1,108

River: (4,968) 4

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 1,987, BB raises to 4,001 and is all-in, Hero calls 2,014

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09-30-2017 , 11:03 PM

Colin_Piddle

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Seems fine UL if he had it

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10-01-2017 , 12:45 AM

princekuh1o

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Pre is good

may go for a smaller sizing on turn like 30-33% or check. I don't think you can call that flop texture too often and then use that turn size w/o a K

River, I think we have to go for all of it first time around.

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10-01-2017 , 02:13 AM

OutPlayU27

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I will check somewhere, most likely otr.

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10-01-2017 , 03:27 AM

cicakman

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Originally Posted by princekuh1o

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10-01-2017 , 11:11 AM

steinerbest

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Originally Posted by OutPlayU27

I will check somewhere, most likely otr.

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This.

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10-01-2017 , 12:05 PM

2pairsof2s

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Originally Posted by Colin_Piddle

Seems fine UL if he had it

This.

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10-02-2017 , 02:03 AM

OutPlayU27

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So you guys think this is a snap jamm otr , we are getting called by worse hands like what ?
I understand is a 27$ mtt, but V 3bets from BB (which people always have it ) and shows here with what ? KQ?
Does he calls us with QQ?

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10-02-2017 , 05:27 AM

bobby1408

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Originally Posted by wowsooooted

Hero raises to 220, 7 folds, BB raises to 750, Hero calls 530

Flop: (1,658) 6

(2 players)
BB bets 547, Hero calls 547

Turn: (2,752) 6

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 1,108, BB calls 1,108

River: (4,968) 4

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 1,987, BB raises to 4,001 and is all-in, Hero calls 2,014

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I would have played it almost the same, b/folding river though. When he x/calls the turn he either has showdown value, or a better hand played like AK or AA trying to pot control the turn. When he x/shoves river I think he is polarized to KK, 56s, 76s, A6s or a weaker hand, very rarely bluffing. I'm a small stakes player though, don't take it too seriously.

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10-02-2017 , 11:12 AM

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jpgiro

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It seems ambitious to think we're getting three streets from much worse. I'd personally go with checking turn for a couple of reasons:

1. We may induce a stab on the river or an occasional attempt to value bet with worse, which we should be able to comfortably call.
2. If villain checks, we can bet fairly big on the river and put a lot of our opponents' pot controlled hands in an awkward spot.

I think betting turn/checking river is also reasonable, but I also think when villain calls turn on this texture the likelihood we're good goes down a ton.

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10-02-2017 , 11:44 AM

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streetwalkincheeta

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Going to the turn our range probably looks something like 88+ AQ+(at least AQdd/cc/ss ) KQs. I like checking range ott in this spot against villains range, which is most likely really polarized given positions, something like JJ+ AK, possibly can give him some bluff combos too, like 93s or something weak with little to no equity(might be optimistic). We always have the option to overbet rivers.

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10-06-2017 , 12:14 PM

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onehandatatime

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I'm happy just to pot control. With your EP open and BB 3 bet this usually indicates QQ+AKs. We do have the blockers to many of these hands, but I would still play the hand very cautiously. Any read on opponent 3 betting from the BB?

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10-06-2017 , 02:05 PM

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BlitzMonkey

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Thoughts on 4b/f? Because he will most likely only 5 bet AA or KK, and probably just call the 4B QQ JJ or AK. As played I really don't think there was much you could have done besides fold to the check river shove? Is he ever doing that with a hand you can beat, or as a bizarre bluff? Maybe could have bet slightly less on the river so you can fold to a shove, but once the board ran out the way it down I myself would also be hard pressed and folding this.

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10-06-2017 , 03:37 PM

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PhatPots

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I think you played it fine, but I probably just jam the river. You can definitely get value here.

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10-06-2017 , 08:56 PM

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wowsooooted

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Originally Posted by onehandatatime

Any read on opponent 3 betting from the BB?

I had him at 17% 3b over 50 hands, but I don't think this would qualify as a relevant sample. his vpip/pr was 30/23 so was playing pretty lag, thats why there was sort of a weird dynamic here. I was giving him less credit in general to say std nits but hes 3b an utg opener oop, in my experience I found this is more often strength then it is a bluff

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10-06-2017 , 09:02 PM

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wowsooooted

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Originally Posted by BlitzMonkey

Thoughts on 4b/f?

I dont think we can 4/f if we make it 2400 and he jams there would 5k dead in the middle and we would need to call off like 3k so we would only need like 25% equity or so

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10-07-2017 , 08:00 PM

#17

sambraun

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Originally Posted by streetwalkincheeta

YEP

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10-08-2017 , 09:51 AM

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user12345

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Originally Posted by OutPlayU27

I will check somewhere, most likely otr.

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Then 4b/c is better for you.

Think jamming river is terribad.
Guess we chop often enough to make b/c viable.

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12-07-2017 , 07:08 AM

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wowsooooted

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Originally Posted by user12345

Then 4b/c is better for you.

Think jamming river is terribad.
Guess we chop often enough to make b/c viable.

yea probs if we jam he has only 2 options where if we half pot he has 3, so we make it harder for him to make optimal decisions and play perfectly against us.

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12-07-2017 , 01:03 PM

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jjpregler

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I'm in between with the 4 bet decision. Villain has LAG stats over a smaller sample with 17% 3b, which argues in favor of 4 betting in spite of the small sample. (Bayes theorem would suggest that while he may have had a great run of cards, it is more likely he is LAG than TAG.) But, we opened from EP and if villain is competent, he should consider that which would tighten up his 3 bet range.

But if we 4 bet and get shoved on, the only hand he could have that we don't have the odds to call is AA and we do have a blocker.

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12-07-2017 , 10:15 PM

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Madsaac

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I like to open larger pre, it helps stops the limps and the chance of being 3bet.

Its rare for someone to 3bet out of the blinds without a strong hand these days, especially an UTG raise.

And a min check/raise on the river normally means strength so it may be a fold but you are getting such a good price and only a couple of hands beat you...call.

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12-08-2017 , 06:04 AM

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wowsooooted

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thanks all for the replies

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12-09-2017 , 12:26 PM

#23

nomalice

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4b/gii cant be bad

i would check turn

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03-07-2018 , 08:55 AM

#24

swissodds

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If you want to keep control of the pot in a spot where V range is leaning toward nutheavy more than anything, checking ott is the way to go.
There is not many cards you dont want to see otr.
Therefore, you can readjust depending on V action. -> calling most of his bets, maybe folding to some overbets.
By betting turn, you kind of agree to play for stacks otr... IMHO

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03-08-2018 , 05:49 AM

#25

Satory

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I believe his check on river is too suspicious. So I will never bet here, just check on the river and hope to win or loose small.
With this action he has you bested most of the time and chop you in the rest, with minor chance of overplayed KQ/KJ diamonds.

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