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03-05-2018 , 08:16 AM

Snake-glory

adept

Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 959

Hi all. I think I should call otr. What do you think? Probably no set or pair because he didn't bet big ott.

Poker Stars, $5 Buy-in (1,200/2,400 blinds, 300 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37932103

SB: 85,886 (35.8 bb)
BB: 50,081 (20.9 bb)
UTG+1: 146,688 (61.1 bb)
UTG+2: 163,970 (68.3 bb)
Hero (MP1): 96,619 (40.3 bb)
MP2: 114,672 (47.8 bb)
MP3: 156,467 (65.2 bb)
CO: 42,069 (17.5 bb)
BTN: 188,054 (78.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q

2 folds, Hero raises to 5,400, MP2 calls 5,400, 4 folds, BB calls 3,000

Flop: (20,100) K

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets 8,800, BB folds, Hero calls 8,800

Turn: (37,700) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets 12,800, Hero calls 12,800

River: (63,300) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets 28,000

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03-05-2018 , 08:52 AM

Lolflush

stranger

Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 8

I think you can fold this one.
Not sure if villain would 3 barrel a worst hand in 3 players.

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03-05-2018 , 10:18 AM

Snake-glory

adept

Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 959

We were 2 players since the turn

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03-05-2018 , 10:25 AM

Lolflush

stranger

Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 8

Yeah but do you think he would 3barrel a J or busted hearts?

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03-05-2018 , 11:01 AM

yonis9

journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 276

Close one. You are blocking QT which is good, but I will be more happy to call without the Q

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03-05-2018 , 11:42 AM

Darth_Maul

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 4,435

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Originally Posted by yonis9

Close one. You are blocking QT which is good, but I will be more happy to call without the Q

Also blocks KQ. But KJ/KT are there. I also don't think he's barreling with a draw or Qx, especially after you x/c two streets.

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03-05-2018 , 11:42 AM

Snake-glory

adept

Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 959

My logic is simple. If he is got a king or 2 pair or set why didn't he bet larger ott? Why did he bet 1/3 on that board? If he had something like KJ, AK or set he would bet larger to protect his hand. I think he is bluffing with missed FD.

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03-05-2018 , 12:00 PM

Bubuman

newbie

Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 30

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Originally Posted by Snake-glory

My logic is simple. If he is got a king or 2 pair or set why didn't he bet larger ott? Why did he bet 1/3 on that board?

Because he feels save and wants you to call?

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03-05-2018 , 01:40 PM

Darth_Maul

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 4,435

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Originally Posted by Snake-glory

Missed draws usually don't bet less than half pot on the river, they usually bomb it to get a fold.

You can't read too much into bet sizing in a spot like this without more specific info on villain's tendencies.

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03-05-2018 , 02:52 PM

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Snake-glory

adept

Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 959

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Originally Posted by Darth_Maul

I dunno, but I saw many many times when they bet like this ott and they have nothing. Because people don't want to bet that small and give a good odds if they have a pair+. There is no point to bet that small ott that's why I wanted to call. Let's say he is got set. Why he is betting that small? He is not blind and he can see that he is giving me amazing odds for my FD or maybe FD+gutshot. Same if he is got AK, KJ, KQ. The only winning hand he can bet like this is QT, but it's almost impossible. So I think call is good. But fold is ok I think.

Anyway, I folded and he showed 53o... I almost called him. Sigh...

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03-05-2018 , 02:55 PM

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Darth_Maul

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 4,435

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Originally Posted by Snake-glory

Sometimes completely unpredictable players come along and do stuff like this. Make a good note on him for next time and move on.

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03-08-2018 , 05:15 AM

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Colin_Piddle

The Colonial

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 11,808

If he's bluffing with 53 on this board 3 handed he's a complete drooler and you will get him on a later hand. Think its a fold on the river

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03-08-2018 , 06:50 AM

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wowsooooted

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 5,077

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Originally Posted by Colin_Piddle

If he's bluffing with 53 on this board 3 handed he's a complete drooler and you will get him on a later hand. Think its a fold on the river

agree but don't you think flop is more interesting? Would you ever mix in some bets when there is heaps of bad turns and we can get called by some draws. BB should have a wide range and we block KQ and the board blocks KJ

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03-08-2018 , 11:54 AM

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blank0909

journeyman

Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 379

Check bet river stats.
Villain's hand can also include T9hh,AThh and is it wrong to call one street vs villain's flop sizing?

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03-08-2018 , 12:31 PM

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Snake-glory

adept

Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 959

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Originally Posted by blank0909

Check bet river stats.
Villain's hand can also include T9hh,AThh and is it wrong to call one street vs villain's flop sizing?

I have only 1 hand on him, so I don't know what type of player he is. But he is betting so weird that's why I wanted to call but folded. I think fold is ok here, but sometimes we can call.

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03-08-2018 , 04:47 PM

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Colin_Piddle

The Colonial

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 11,808

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Originally Posted by wowsooooted

Possibly yeah sometimes with the blockers betting can be ok here.

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