This is from the $1000 buy in, double stack at WSOP yesterday.
Just want some evaluation of my play here.

Level 6 blinds are 300/500/500
Hero has 59,000
V has me covered by less than 10k

UTG +1 opens for 1100
V in mp calls, button calls, sb folds I am BB with AhKs and 3bet to 2500

+1 calls, V calls other fold

9100 going to flop

flop 8s8hAs
I lead for 4000 , +1 folds, V calls

17100
turn Qd
I have really put V on AQ and I check the turn
V bets 8000 and I do call

33100

River is 4s completing the flush draw so I decide to lead for 12000 with somewhat blocker bet/try to rep flush. V does not take too long to call and turns over AQo to drag the pot


please evaluate each street for me..
should I have 3bet?
I think my flop lead is okay??
should i have check/called turn?
should i have led river or check/fold?
risking way too many chips this early?
Let me know what you think about this situation..

I am thinking i should have folded the turn, but let me know your thoughts..

thanks

i moved the thread to the correct location

3bet much larger pre

Ok, so the question is what are we doing here with our range. I would expect we are going to 3 bet squeeze QQ+, AK, and maybe a bluff like AJ or A5 suited (doesn't really matter what you pick but Ax works the best because we block AA and AK/AQ hands that might flat/4 bet us. I think a squeeze works great here because we don't wanna flat and take this 3 ways.

So we are out of position and there was already an open and a call; we need to choose a bigger sizing to have any slight amount of fold equity. I like 6-7k. It's always tough choosing the "right size" in this exact situation but I think this has to be reasonable. Most often we are getting 4 bet or getting folds. If we get 4 bet I think a fold is fine. No need to go crazy and dump 100 bbs pre with AK. I also don't really like flatting AK oop in a 4 bet pot.

As played we are 3 betting QQ, KK, AA, AK, and let's say A5 suited. If the board comes A88 and we have QQ and KK we want to pot control. We can still be ahead but not much is calling us that we're beating. If we have AA we are crushing everyone's soul and don't want to fold out their hands. Literally any turn card that can improve our opponent's holding will help us get a street or two of value on the turn or river. If we have A5 suited we don't want to value own ourselves against our opponents AK/AQ. This leads us to want to check this flop with pretty much our entire range. AK is usually way ahead in this scenario so giving a free card is not a huge deal, and we get to still get our value on later streets. Sometimes we let Villain catch up and beat us; **** happens.

As played I like our turn check. We're not getting called by pretty much any worse hands anymore. I think I call but at his point we are not beating much. I think I check fold river. Idk if I like a blocker bet. I think if V checks we win if he bets we lose. There's also not many bluffs at this point

I mix 3Bet to 4800 pre and call...flop I like a check with the Ks...then betting on almost any turn and river.

Your 3bet sizing is lolbad. 2500? Opponents should peel with their whole range here. Not sure we wanna see flop vs 3 opponent where as they almost always should call your tiny 3bet. Imo, I would pop it up to 5k+ as we are going to be out of position as we really wanna try to see this flop heads up if possible. Maybe 5.5k or even 6.5k would be solid here. If utg+1 4bets, I might just muck this hand as 4bet range should be pretty strong and postflop could be a mess if we don’t smash an ace or king if we flat. If we rip 120bbs over a 4B also, we gotta ask ourselves how we are doing against a call for 120bbs. At best we are on the worst side of a coin flip and we don’t want this spot for 120bbs in a solid structure mtt with a lot of weak players.

So I like 3bet kinda big to try to push out the 2 flatters who we have a range advantage against and hope utg+1 doesn’t 4B. On flop, I’m fine with cbetting and checking also at a mixed rate. Cbetting, we can only expect to be called by worse As. I think I like check back here more as hands such as JJ and QQ are more likely to put money in if we don’t Cbet and fire 3 streets. Think we are more likely to get 2 Streets of value if we check back vs cbetting and betting turn. As played, not much you can do. Bad luck to run into aq here.

Finally if we take this heads up after we 3bet. I feel you have to be willing to Cbet boards that don’t hit you and even fire a 2Nd bullet. On a flop such as 238, if you aren’t willing to Cbet and fire turn..... just check give up I guess. In a spot like this I feel 1/3 pot on flop and bigger turn sizing would be good. If you don’t have stones to fire a 2nd bullet in a spot like this, don’t Cbet.

I was thinking we should go even bigger, no? My typical rule of thumb when making 3bs OOP this deep stacked (roughly 100bb) is 4.5x the open, adding to that size as there are more flat callers. So here, somewhere in the realm of 6000-7000--the same sizing I'd like to adopt if I roll a squeeze with something like ATo or whatever.

Villains could also be shorter than Hero here, don't think that info was included

Mixing flop check with the relevant suit in our hand seems good, I'm almost positive this combo wouldn't be a pure bet on flop but nobody can run it b/c multiway

3b needs to be like 7100, and if fold equity is at a minimum then calling pre for that price can't be bad. Not sure which is highr EV, but I suspect it's squeezing thats that higher EV option.

But blocking AA and KK this is it ultimate hand to exploitatively 3b/f pre because most live Vs will underbluff as a 4b (or undervalue potential 4b hands) and overcall vs 3bs.

you have zero flushes in your range otr due to pre

the rest is a mess as well if course

AP flop is either way too big or way too small depending on what you want to accomplish.

There's merit to taking a hand like 99 and turning it into a bluff/getting protection since all 2-over combos and also TT-QQ, even KK to some extent, are going to be uncomfortable continuing vs a properly sized cbet. But that bet has to be bigger to accomplish that. Using AK to balance a larger sizing (like 6k or so) makes sense because AK is your best naked AX and also AA too heavily block worse that'll call making AK a better candidate to bet large than AA (same argument applies if you have 88). So your bet is too small for value because it's also too small for you to always be bluffing when you take this sizing--occasionally you'll want to go bigger with a bluff meaning you'll want to go bigger with value, too.

But even though you definitely have a range advantage here, V's range is naturally AX dense and you have lots of hands that actually might prefer not cbetting like 77, KQs, etc. But your range is overall so far ahead of V's that you kinda need to always be betting and the way to reconcile that is to just bet really really small with your entire range, so going like 1k is also optimal. Your range is still wide enough to where you can split off some AK into a larger-sizing node and still have enough AK left over the balance a tiny sizing range without that tiny sizing range being too weak.

Think when we factor in multiway we always wanna go smaller. So I think AP flop is way too big.

this is exceptionally smart. great post as usual.

Preflop is a huge mistake. No one is folding for this bet size.

Once you get to this flop with 4 players, I think it's ok to check here with 3 players.

River: Betting is a huge mistake. An 8 is never folding, a flush is never folding. So you basically get to value town yourself. I think when the flush does get there on the river, some players will check back AQ. That is the one hand that is beating you that you are trying to make fold? I don't think it will happen.