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Originally Posted by Summers119
Its a rebuy but we are past the rebuy stage.
Thanks for the responses.
Yeah, I reckon he just calls 88, 99, 1010 living abortion but I am unsure.
If he is 3betting JJ+ AQs+ do we get good enough odds to shove?
Well, also you did say that this is V1's first 3-bet over the course of 3 hours playing with him. I'd say that is roughly a 75-90 hand sample size give or take.
I didn't take this into consideration when first working over the hand. I think that if you have a potential read like this you can adjust accordingly. So if you decided to fold here I wouldn't knock you for it.
I guess when working through this hand I go with some more traditional ranges. Meaning that I would assume the majority of players would be 3-betting our HJ open wide enough for us to 5-bet jam and have enough of the CO's 3-betting range fold.
As far as the "odds to shove" part...
When you shove there V1 must now weigh the odds to call given the price you and the pot are now giving him in relation to his holding.
However, in my first post, you can see all the hands that I said we were possibly folding out when you shove. Which we can see our shove needs to get through V1 66% of the time or 2/3 of the time just to run it against V2's range, which a portion of the time V2 is winning.
We could make a complex formula ourselves and plug in all the numbers, or we could put this hand through a solver, but the thing you should now is that usually (unless you have a live read, like you did in your original post) 5-betting jamming here is a good play.